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Ø Removal of “Install Other OS” feature
The new PS3 system will focus on delivering games and other entertainment content, and users will not be able to install other Operating Systems to the new PS3 system.
Along with a vast line-up of attractive and exciting entertainment content with the new PS3 system, SCE will continue to further expand the PS3 platform and create a new world of computer entertainment.
melado escribió:Debe ser que el chip de cargar el Linux era demasiado gordo y... oh wait
f5inet escribió:esto es MUY MALO. de esta forma lo unico que consiguen los de Sony es SEGMENTAR SU PUBLICO. ya lo segmentaron con el tema de las consola retrocompatibles y no retrocompatibles, ahora ademas habra consolas que tienen otheros y otras consolas que no lo tienen...
resulta ironico que cuando la PS3 fue lanzada, uno de sus grandes argumentos de venta era que mientras la X360 tenia version sin y con disco duro (segmentando el cliente), la PS3 ofrecia una version unica... y ahora la PS3 tiene version con/sin retrocompatibilidad, con/sin lector de tarjetas, con/sin wifi, con/sin otheros... coño, si eso no es SEGMENTAR EL MERCADO, no se que carajo sera.
estoy muy enfadado con este movimiento de Sony, ahora todo aquel que quisiera usar el CELL para algo interesante usando otheros, tiene que tirar lo hecho a la basura, porque las nuevas consolas SLIM no pueden correr homebrew... con dos cojones Sony, si señor, con dos cojones...
melado escribió:Debe ser que el chip de cargar el Linux era demasiado gordo y... oh wait
lomotek escribió:Dudo que sea asi... porque primero quien te devuelve los 10GB que tienes particionado en el HDD (ya te estan obligando hacer un backup y toda la historia... y dime tu donde meto 300GB de informacion o el tiempo que tarda que no se que es peor xDDD) y segundo dan la excusa que lo retiran de la SLIM porque ya ahi suficiente software y porque la gente que se compre la PS3 Slim es porque jugara a titulos de PS3 y no ara falta la instalacion de un OS secundario...
El dia 1 saldremos de dudas pero dudo que me quiten el linux al menos de las FAT
AzagraMac escribió:y ahora hacen lo mismo con la PS3 Slim???? no si en vez de mejorar... vamos para atras como los cangrejos.
merengue escribió:Perdonar por la ignorancia pero ¿para qué sirve linux en una playstation 3?, ni en el pc lo tengo instalado
fidillo escribió:merengue escribió:Perdonar por la ignorancia pero ¿para qué sirve linux en una playstation 3?, ni en el pc lo tengo instalado
Para lo mismo que te sirve a ti Windows pero en consola.
http://playstation2-linux.com/forum/message.php?msg_id=51038 escribió:BY: sarahe
DATE: 2009-Aug-21 22:23
SUBJECT: RE: Why no Linux in PS3 Slim?
Hi aragon,
I'm sorry that you are frustrated by the lack of comment specifically regarding the withdrawal of support for OtherOS on the new PS3 slim.
The reasons are simple: The PS3 Slim is a major cost reduction involving many changes to hardware components in the PS3 design. In order to offer the OtherOS install, SCE would need to continue to maintain the OtherOS hypervisor drivers for any significant hardware changes - this costs SCE. One of our key objectives with the new model is to pass on cost savings to the consumer with a lower retail price. Unfortunately in this case the cost of OtherOS install did not fit with the wider objective to offer a lower cost PS3.
We'll see if we can get the offical OtherOS page updated with something to this effect so that an official explanation is provided. Thank you for your comments.
Sarah.
fidillo escribió:Vamos, que reprogramar el Hyper y hacer drivers y demas chorradas compatibles no me creo ni una pizca que ello les suponga un pastizal.
xakmsx escribió:¿Que va a pasar con el foro "Scene y Linux" de PS3 si ésta ya no tiene ni Scene ni Linux?
Correo recibido a traves de la lista de correo de subscriptores escribió:Greetings
I send this mail to inform you that because of the removal of OtherOS from the ps3 platform(slim) version i have decided to stop all development on the ps3 otheros software i currently maintain and all involvement in any otheros related develoment activities.
Allthough my projects may not be the biggest they are probably one of the few cell projects known to targeting the "average joe".
My projects where
spu-medialib https://sourceforge.net/projects/spu-medialib
spumedia http://code.google.com/p/spumedia/
spexms https://sourceforge.net/projects/spexms/
speutils http://code.google.com/p/speutils/
I will also be cancelling all my involvement in OurOS a ps3 designed operating system in the making which we were hoping to release in a beta Q4 2009
http://code.google.com/p/ouros
My PS3 History
In 2005 i became aware of the cell architecture through my father working at IBM i did some research into it and figured it is something i would want my hands on as i feel that todays x86 architectures do not show the way to the future.
I also became aware that the ps3 was shipping with a cell which was interesing and that it somehow would support linux.
At the end of 2006 i knew that the ps3 had linux support out of the box but that i had to wait to march to get one.
When i got my ps3 in march 2007 the first thing i did was to install linux on it.
When i realized it was un capable of playing back video in linux i decided to fix that hence i wrote a colorspace converter using spu's and spu-medialib was born.
later in 2007 i added a yuv420 scaler to spu-medialib to get 1080p playback of most video/audio formats everything ffmpeg supports except h264 to be precise.
When i changed my work between 2007 and 2008 i made sure not to take a job that prohibited me from writing open source code on my spare time.
In 2008 i bought my second ps3 to do more development along side using my ps3 for other features games/blue-ray etc and i had now one ps3 only in otheros and one in gameos.
The other projects where born along the way constantly aiming on trying to improve the otheros experience.
OurOS would have been great with, innovative meny system and developer friendly enviroments and a growing community it was the best flag ever.. now its dead too as alll the people there feel as i do .
To support OurOS project i freely gave access to my 16 core amd64 B3 opteron(8347HE) system(10000$ pc) to help the community build fast toolchains and have shorter round times.
The reasoning behind my decision is:
In a total without counting i have spendt way more than 5000 hours doing something for the ps3 otheros community.
If it ment pushing gcc for microcode patches or investigate better use of the undocumented graphics api, or explaining how spe's work.
it did not matter to me what i was doing because i was supporting a community and a architecture.
In effect SONY's decision to remove otheros from ps3 slim kills the future for the community and thereby in effect my hobby.
You guys have all helped me a lot along the way and i apriciate all the help and knowledge you have passed on to me.
I do in no way blame you for your CEO's decisions.
Unless someone changes there mind, which i find extremely and highly unlikely, this is probably the last you will ever hear from me exept some random wining on #IRC..
Cheers guys and take care, it was fun while it lasted.
PS!
As a reminder the next time you release something as open be sure not to "restrict it" it tends to throw off community people easely.
f5inet escribió:Suma y Sigue:
el creador de las SPUMEDIA libs abandona todos sus proyectos despues de que Sony anunciara que retira el soporte OtherOS de las nuevas ps3-slim
en general dice que habra gastado unas 5000 horas de su tiempo para crear codigo para la comunidad OtherOS, que estaba desarrollando junto con otro monton de gente un proyecto denominado OurOS que era una distro de linux especifica para audio/video (esto sale de la lista de correo, no de el presente correo) y que tambien lo paraliza totalmente. que ha disfrutado mientras duro la cosa pero que tira todo a la basura.Correo recibido a traves de la lista de correo de subscriptores escribió:Greetings
I send this mail to inform you that because of the removal of OtherOS from the ps3 platform(slim) version i have decided to stop all development on the ps3 otheros software i currently maintain and all involvement in any otheros related develoment activities.
Allthough my projects may not be the biggest they are probably one of the few cell projects known to targeting the "average joe".
My projects where
spu-medialib https://sourceforge.net/projects/spu-medialib
spumedia http://code.google.com/p/spumedia/
spexms https://sourceforge.net/projects/spexms/
speutils http://code.google.com/p/speutils/
I will also be cancelling all my involvement in OurOS a ps3 designed operating system in the making which we were hoping to release in a beta Q4 2009
http://code.google.com/p/ouros
My PS3 History
In 2005 i became aware of the cell architecture through my father working at IBM i did some research into it and figured it is something i would want my hands on as i feel that todays x86 architectures do not show the way to the future.
I also became aware that the ps3 was shipping with a cell which was interesing and that it somehow would support linux.
At the end of 2006 i knew that the ps3 had linux support out of the box but that i had to wait to march to get one.
When i got my ps3 in march 2007 the first thing i did was to install linux on it.
When i realized it was un capable of playing back video in linux i decided to fix that hence i wrote a colorspace converter using spu's and spu-medialib was born.
later in 2007 i added a yuv420 scaler to spu-medialib to get 1080p playback of most video/audio formats everything ffmpeg supports except h264 to be precise.
When i changed my work between 2007 and 2008 i made sure not to take a job that prohibited me from writing open source code on my spare time.
In 2008 i bought my second ps3 to do more development along side using my ps3 for other features games/blue-ray etc and i had now one ps3 only in otheros and one in gameos.
The other projects where born along the way constantly aiming on trying to improve the otheros experience.
OurOS would have been great with, innovative meny system and developer friendly enviroments and a growing community it was the best flag ever.. now its dead too as alll the people there feel as i do .
To support OurOS project i freely gave access to my 16 core amd64 B3 opteron(8347HE) system(10000$ pc) to help the community build fast toolchains and have shorter round times.
The reasoning behind my decision is:
In a total without counting i have spendt way more than 5000 hours doing something for the ps3 otheros community.
If it ment pushing gcc for microcode patches or investigate better use of the undocumented graphics api, or explaining how spe's work.
it did not matter to me what i was doing because i was supporting a community and a architecture.
In effect SONY's decision to remove otheros from ps3 slim kills the future for the community and thereby in effect my hobby.
You guys have all helped me a lot along the way and i apriciate all the help and knowledge you have passed on to me.
I do in no way blame you for your CEO's decisions.
Unless someone changes there mind, which i find extremely and highly unlikely, this is probably the last you will ever hear from me exept some random wining on #IRC..
Cheers guys and take care, it was fun while it lasted.
PS!
As a reminder the next time you release something as open be sure not to "restrict it" it tends to throw off community people easely.
de nuevo, menuda CAGADA lo de la ps3-slim, la comunidad OtherOS, en lugar de enfurecerse y tratar de reventar el sistema para cargar linux como sea, deciden plegar velas y dirigir su mirada a 'la otra consola a la que ahora se le puede cargar linux' que, fijate que casualidad, tambien es un powerPC y tiene unidades VMX128 como los SPE del cell, estupendo Sony, realmente estupendo, te estas cubriendo de... gloria...
armando92 escribió:[...]
la verdad es que tus posts son bastante cansinos, siempre hechas mierda a sony :S.
el tio avandona el projecto por que quiso y tubo de excusa esto, que las ps3 slim salgan no quiere decir que el 100% de los usuarios se pasaran como mucho un 20% y el resto seguira con la fat y su otheros tan popular
andres_5 escribió:hola, estado leyendo todo el post y solo se me viene a la cabeza una cosa...
¿¿ que pasaria si a esta ps3 slim los hacker no inspirados por la anterior version de ps3 (al poseer la posiblidad de instalar linux), se inspiran y encuentran una vulnerabilidad importante, con la posiblidad de cargar homebrew y ademas cargar backup..??
quedariamos atrapado en nuestra ps3 o habria la posiblidad que la vulnerabilidad sea llevada a las ps3 fat, de alguna manera.
PD: sony no es tonta, y si sacase una vulnerabilidad en esta slim, veremos como muxos tendran 2 Ps3 en sus casas, una fat y otra slim
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fidillo escribió:merengue escribió:Perdonar por la ignorancia pero ¿para qué sirve linux en una playstation 3?, ni en el pc lo tengo instalado
Para lo mismo que te sirve a ti Windows pero en consola.
masterjuantex escribió:fidillo escribió:merengue escribió:Perdonar por la ignorancia pero ¿para qué sirve linux en una playstation 3?, ni en el pc lo tengo instalado
Para lo mismo que te sirve a ti Windows pero en consola.
Mira ke yo soy informatico y no muy prolinux pero me ha encantao xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
La verdad esque no le encuentro sentido alguno a este movimiento, ellos sabran, lo que si deduzco es una cosa, como en las fat pueda seguir cargandose linux, las de 60 gb, entre la retro y el linux, van a ser de autentico ORO.
armando92 escribió:andres_5 escribió:hola, estado leyendo todo el post y solo se me viene a la cabeza una cosa...
¿¿ que pasaria si a esta ps3 slim los hacker no inspirados por la anterior version de ps3 (al poseer la posiblidad de instalar linux), se inspiran y encuentran una vulnerabilidad importante, con la posiblidad de cargar homebrew y ademas cargar backup..??
quedariamos atrapado en nuestra ps3 o habria la posiblidad que la vulnerabilidad sea llevada a las ps3 fat, de alguna manera.
PD: sony no es tonta, y si sacase una vulnerabilidad en esta slim, veremos como muxos tendran 2 Ps3 en sus casas, una fat y otra slim
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no lo veo asi, con que encuentren una vulnerabilidad pueden hacer un CF que podria ser instalado en ps3 fat