[HO] Aventuras gráficas en PC

Hangla Mangla escribió:No es exactamente una aventura gráfica, sino más bien un juego de deducción, pero me está gustando mucho "The Case of the Golden Idol", que han metido en Gamepass.
Lo raro es que he mirado en Steam por que hay 2 casos extra (y en GP sólo está el juego base, con el primer caso) y pensé en comprarlos allí cuando termine este, por que donde más juego al final es en la Steam Deck, y aparece que no está en castellano, pero en la versión de Gamepass sí está el idioma (de hecho hay un montón de idiomas, y Steam sólo lista el inglés). Supongo que es un error de Steam, por que no le veo ningún sentido a gastar la pasta en la traducción y después no meterla en todas sus versiones.

LonelySoulGamer escribió:

Hangla Mangla escribió:No es exactamente una aventura gráfica, sino más bien un juego de deducción, pero me está gustando mucho "The Case of the Golden Idol", que han metido en Gamepass.
Lo raro es que he mirado en Steam por que hay 2 casos extra (y en GP sólo está el juego base, con el primer caso) y pensé en comprarlos allí cuando termine este, por que donde más juego al final es en la Steam Deck, y aparece que no está en castellano, pero en la versión de Gamepass sí está el idioma (de hecho hay un montón de idiomas, y Steam sólo lista el inglés). Supongo que es un error de Steam, por que no le veo ningún sentido a gastar la pasta en la traducción y después no meterla en todas sus versiones.

Yo pude probar los primeros puzles y era un juegazo, al menos lo que pude probar. Pero por los comentarios que he leido parece que mantiene el tipo todo el rato.

Originally we wanted to surprise you, but then things moved around, for exciting reasons we will tell you about in the next update! But in the end this resulted in us posting this update so much later than we wanted to, and for that we apologise.

But we do come bearing good news! We’re still on track for the digital release window of Q3, and we think that the game is looking really amazing with the last touch-ups we were able to add, thanks to all of you.

In addition to things heating up, we’re also announcing a wind down of our late backing option on PledgeManager - so please check that you're happy with your selections, and finish your surveys if you haven't yet! Friday August 9th will be its last day.

We thought it would be interesting to describe some of the development progress, and what has consumed our attention over the last few months...



DEVELOPMENT UPDATES
One of the interesting challenges of bringing the game to 4K has been to determine how to resolve issues that we didn’t foresee!

HERE'S NOT LOOKING AT YOU, KID
In the original resolution we make visual assumptions that no longer work in 4K. For example, in low resolution, George’s eyes are composed of a couple of suggestive pixels. Redrawn at 4K, we can now see clearly where George is looking - and if George doesn’t look directly at the character to whom he is taking, then the exchange looks cold and disconnected.



This threw up a predicament because normally George is looking straight ahead at characters, but sometimes he is looking down - as is the case when George speaks to Chantelle. One of our early commitments was that players would be able to fluidly jump between the original and Reforged at the press of a button - and these animations play from the same set which have defined lengths, each with a fixed number of frames.

So when George is talking, how do we make George look ahead or down depending on who he is talking to?

Let’s say a specific interaction has a “talk animation” consisting of 10 frames. These 10 frames are played by referring to situation-specific subfolders. Adding conditional logic to the game, our programmers and animation team came up with a plan to create subfolders inside those subfolders, where the animation team would then add frames for specific contexts.



This means that now every generic interaction George has in Reforged can refer to a matching overwrite set, preserving the original number of total frames dictated by the specific interaction. George also binks now, which all together makes a significant difference in such a high resolution. Yet one you’d only notice if it was missing…

NEVER BEFORE SEEN ORIGINAL CONTENT
We have previously highlighted that there were fully voiced George lines that were never played in the original game, for a variety of reasons, most commonly because the logic was flawed. There are only a few lines, but they feel special to encounter, especially if you thought there wasn’t anything left to discover.


So to those of you who think you know this game inside out, there are a couple of interactions, pieces of dialogue and George’s inner monologue, and even a previously locked-into-cutscene area you’ll now get to explore. Some of these you might happen upon here and there, and others only unlock once you’ve played through the game!

And if that’s just not the game you remember, and you like things how they were, you’ll be able to easily turn this bonus content off in the settings menu.

DYNAMIC SHADOWS IN A 2D GAME
In high resolution, it became immediately clear that without shadows, the characters risk looking like they are floating above the ground. So Andy wrote code to project 2D sprites to look like 3D shadows that can be cast in any direction depending on the direction of the light source. Whilst this is very clever, it does leave room for shadow errors. Our art team is currently going through each screen, adjusting and optimising the way that shadows are cast. According to Andy, who like most programmers, is overall quite understated “the technique we’re using has no right to look as good as often as it does” and we hope to show it off more down the line!

A HARD LESSON ON WHEN TO REFER TO WHICH “ORIGINAL”
Backgrounds were originally drawn in pencil by Eoghan Cahill and Neil Breen who had previously been senior layout artists at the Don Bluth Studios in Dublin. We considered those original layouts to be the ‘canon’ - so when the painted screens differed, we found ourselves in a quandary.



One example would be the Museum, where the original line art depicted a knight statue, but the colourist had painted an Egyptian statue instead. When making the decision to go back to the original line art layouts for Reforged the knight was painted. Not a big deal though, and we doubted anyone would even notice...



Ah 🙃 Right, of course… Thankfully we caught that George actually refers to the statue in game, describing it as a "statue from Ancient Egypt", so that’s what it looks like once again.

And there are so many other elements that might seem trivial, but together will ensure that Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged fulfils its full potential. We have loved working on this game, and are hugely proud of how it looks and plays, and we hope that you will feel that this extra work has been worth it.



REVOLUTION UPDATES
All in all, it’s been a busy and dedicated few weeks, with all hands on board. Here are some non development highlights we want to share;

BROKEN SWORD 5 KICKSTARTER GOODIES
Earlier this month we handed over the contents of the re-emerged Broken Sword 5 Kickstarter storage unit to a distribution partner, who will now take individual stock, work with us on packaging, and once the time comes; shipping! Our aim is to sync up the shipping of the BS5 Kickstarter Goodies with the Collector's Editions and Reforged Add-Ons.

CHARLES GRADUATED
Well technically he was awarded an Honorary Master of Arts degree by Leeds Arts University in the Royal Armouries during the University’s recent graduation ceremonies.



The University’s alumni include some really interesting creative minds, including Barbara Hepworth, Henry Moore and Damien Hurst. He gave a touching speech andyou can read more about it here!

EDGE Magazine: Full Circle
An incredible in-depth interview, and a really unique photoshoot.

We don’t want to give too much away, but encourage everyone to give this a read either online, or in their beautiful monthly issued magazine.

THERE IS SO MUCH MORE WE WISH WE COULD TALK ABOUT,
that we’re not ready to share just yet. But let’s just say Charles is brushing up on his German… Danke schön! Thank you for your continued patience, and all the love you've shown us and this game over the decades. It truly means the world.

Torru85 escribió:Os comparto el último update del Broken Sword Reforged que nos han mandado hoy.

Originally we wanted to surprise you, but then things moved around, for exciting reasons we will tell you about in the next update! But in the end this resulted in us posting this update so much later than we wanted to, and for that we apologise.

But we do come bearing good news! We’re still on track for the digital release window of Q3, and we think that the game is looking really amazing with the last touch-ups we were able to add, thanks to all of you.

In addition to things heating up, we’re also announcing a wind down of our late backing option on PledgeManager - so please check that you're happy with your selections, and finish your surveys if you haven't yet! Friday August 9th will be its last day.

We thought it would be interesting to describe some of the development progress, and what has consumed our attention over the last few months...



DEVELOPMENT UPDATES
One of the interesting challenges of bringing the game to 4K has been to determine how to resolve issues that we didn’t foresee!

HERE'S NOT LOOKING AT YOU, KID
In the original resolution we make visual assumptions that no longer work in 4K. For example, in low resolution, George’s eyes are composed of a couple of suggestive pixels. Redrawn at 4K, we can now see clearly where George is looking - and if George doesn’t look directly at the character to whom he is taking, then the exchange looks cold and disconnected.



This threw up a predicament because normally George is looking straight ahead at characters, but sometimes he is looking down - as is the case when George speaks to Chantelle. One of our early commitments was that players would be able to fluidly jump between the original and Reforged at the press of a button - and these animations play from the same set which have defined lengths, each with a fixed number of frames.

So when George is talking, how do we make George look ahead or down depending on who he is talking to?

Let’s say a specific interaction has a “talk animation” consisting of 10 frames. These 10 frames are played by referring to situation-specific subfolders. Adding conditional logic to the game, our programmers and animation team came up with a plan to create subfolders inside those subfolders, where the animation team would then add frames for specific contexts.



This means that now every generic interaction George has in Reforged can refer to a matching overwrite set, preserving the original number of total frames dictated by the specific interaction. George also binks now, which all together makes a significant difference in such a high resolution. Yet one you’d only notice if it was missing…

NEVER BEFORE SEEN ORIGINAL CONTENT
We have previously highlighted that there were fully voiced George lines that were never played in the original game, for a variety of reasons, most commonly because the logic was flawed. There are only a few lines, but they feel special to encounter, especially if you thought there wasn’t anything left to discover.


So to those of you who think you know this game inside out, there are a couple of interactions, pieces of dialogue and George’s inner monologue, and even a previously locked-into-cutscene area you’ll now get to explore. Some of these you might happen upon here and there, and others only unlock once you’ve played through the game!

And if that’s just not the game you remember, and you like things how they were, you’ll be able to easily turn this bonus content off in the settings menu.

DYNAMIC SHADOWS IN A 2D GAME
In high resolution, it became immediately clear that without shadows, the characters risk looking like they are floating above the ground. So Andy wrote code to project 2D sprites to look like 3D shadows that can be cast in any direction depending on the direction of the light source. Whilst this is very clever, it does leave room for shadow errors. Our art team is currently going through each screen, adjusting and optimising the way that shadows are cast. According to Andy, who like most programmers, is overall quite understated “the technique we’re using has no right to look as good as often as it does” and we hope to show it off more down the line!

A HARD LESSON ON WHEN TO REFER TO WHICH “ORIGINAL”
Backgrounds were originally drawn in pencil by Eoghan Cahill and Neil Breen who had previously been senior layout artists at the Don Bluth Studios in Dublin. We considered those original layouts to be the ‘canon’ - so when the painted screens differed, we found ourselves in a quandary.



One example would be the Museum, where the original line art depicted a knight statue, but the colourist had painted an Egyptian statue instead. When making the decision to go back to the original line art layouts for Reforged the knight was painted. Not a big deal though, and we doubted anyone would even notice...



Ah 🙃 Right, of course… Thankfully we caught that George actually refers to the statue in game, describing it as a "statue from Ancient Egypt", so that’s what it looks like once again.

And there are so many other elements that might seem trivial, but together will ensure that Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged fulfils its full potential. We have loved working on this game, and are hugely proud of how it looks and plays, and we hope that you will feel that this extra work has been worth it.



REVOLUTION UPDATES
All in all, it’s been a busy and dedicated few weeks, with all hands on board. Here are some non development highlights we want to share;

BROKEN SWORD 5 KICKSTARTER GOODIES
Earlier this month we handed over the contents of the re-emerged Broken Sword 5 Kickstarter storage unit to a distribution partner, who will now take individual stock, work with us on packaging, and once the time comes; shipping! Our aim is to sync up the shipping of the BS5 Kickstarter Goodies with the Collector's Editions and Reforged Add-Ons.

CHARLES GRADUATED
Well technically he was awarded an Honorary Master of Arts degree by Leeds Arts University in the Royal Armouries during the University’s recent graduation ceremonies.



The University’s alumni include some really interesting creative minds, including Barbara Hepworth, Henry Moore and Damien Hurst. He gave a touching speech andyou can read more about it here!

EDGE Magazine: Full Circle
An incredible in-depth interview, and a really unique photoshoot.

We don’t want to give too much away, but encourage everyone to give this a read either online, or in their beautiful monthly issued magazine.

THERE IS SO MUCH MORE WE WISH WE COULD TALK ABOUT,
that we’re not ready to share just yet. But let’s just say Charles is brushing up on his German… Danke schön! Thank you for your continued patience, and all the love you've shown us and this game over the decades. It truly means the world.

ORIGINAL OR DIRECTOR’S CUT
Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged is based on the original, first ever Broken Sword game released in 1996.

- from 480p to 4K
- classic "Paris in the Fall" intro
- will have d**th

Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged builds on the original game, with all the same logic and graphics, brought up to date for today’s platforms, and aims to give you an improved experience of playing the original all over again.

Broken Sword: Director's Cut will continue to exist as an alternative experience to both "the Shadow of the Templars", and "Shadow of the Templars: Reforged".

Torru85 escribió:@LonelySoulGamer no, la versión reforged es un remaster de la versión original.

ORIGINAL OR DIRECTOR’S CUT
Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged is based on the original, first ever Broken Sword game released in 1996.

- from 480p to 4K
- classic "Paris in the Fall" intro
- will have d**th

Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged builds on the original game, with all the same logic and graphics, brought up to date for today’s platforms, and aims to give you an improved experience of playing the original all over again.

Broken Sword: Director's Cut will continue to exist as an alternative experience to both "the Shadow of the Templars", and "Shadow of the Templars: Reforged".

LonelySoulGamer escribió:Esta en portada pero bueno:

Ha tenido los santos cojones de poner el final del juego en el trailer. Eres joven y quieres probar las aventuras gráficas, tooooma spoiler. Aunque para que nos vamos a engañar, las nuevas generaciones pasan del género totalmente.

jhunt escribió:Yo no lo he jugado, es un género en el que he pasado muy de puntillas, no porque no me atraiga sino porque me considero muy palurdo, me siento mas a gusto en juegos de puzzles "puros" como Talos principle, Portal, Witness...pero las aventuras gráficas se me atraviesan, me hacen sentirme muy zote.

Aun asi, este me atrae muchisimo. Tengo el original de cuando lo regalaron en GoG, pero vamos, este creo que caerá.

LonelySoulGamer escribió:
P.D: NO quería escribir tochaco, pero... se me ha ido. Lo siento...

LonelySoulGamer escribió:Esta en portada pero bueno:

Ha tenido los santos cojones de poner el final del juego en el trailer. Eres joven y quieres probar las aventuras gráficas, tooooma spoiler. Aunque para que nos vamos a engañar, las nuevas generaciones pasan del género totalmente.

katatsumuri escribió:3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT® - A COMEDY GRAPHIC ADVENTURE https://store.steampowered.com/app/8325 ... Adventure/
En una carrera contrarreloj, Betty se embarca en una emocionante aventura repleta de comedia para desenmarañar una conspiración que empieza con una explosión y termina a tres minutos para medianoche.

La verdad que tiene buena pinta, lo único que no me gusta es el puntero, no pega con el apartado visual, creo que otro puntero hubiera quedado mucho mejor.

katatsumuri escribió:FRAN BOW https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/362680/
Fran Bow es un juego de aventuras espeluznante que cuenta la historia de Fran, una joven que lucha contra un trastorno mental y un destino injusto. Después de presenciar la espantosa y misteriosa pérdida de sus padres, encontrados desmembrados en su casa, Fran se adentra en el bosque, junto con su único amigo, el Sr. Midnight, un gato negro que Fran había recibido previamente como regalo de sus padres.

LonelySoulGamer escribió:

katatsumuri escribió:3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT® - A COMEDY GRAPHIC ADVENTURE https://store.steampowered.com/app/8325 ... Adventure/
En una carrera contrarreloj, Betty se embarca en una emocionante aventura repleta de comedia para desenmarañar una conspiración que empieza con una explosión y termina a tres minutos para medianoche.

La verdad que tiene buena pinta, lo único que no me gusta es el puntero, no pega con el apartado visual, creo que otro puntero hubiera quedado mucho mejor.

¿Ya está?. Joder que rápido se han pasado las 2 semanas desde que el apañero @Torru85 la puso por aquí.

hilo_ho-aventuras-graficas-en-pc_1617372_s4950#p1754117124


Si alguno tiene tiempo de probarla que comente algo. Yo no voy a poder.

Gracias por el aviso.

spiderrrboy escribió:Pues ya he finiquitado hace unos días la de Indiana Jones and Fate of Atlantis...


Me ha gustado bastante, la recordaba más difícil aunque si que tiene ciertos momentos desesperantes, más que difíciles, tediosos y cansinos, porque tienes que ir mucho de aquí para allá, hablo del famoso laberinto, súmale que te puedes topar a algún soldado alemán, pues se hace muy cansina esa parte, pero en líneas generales, muy buena aventura y con méritos propios en el olimpo de las aventuras gráficas...
Encontré esto por aquí jejeje

Esa edición no vale mucho, es una reedición que se hizo, si que tengo en caja grande The Dig, Sam and Max, Day Of The Tentacle y Broken Sword 2, esas ediciones de las de Lucas si que están revalorizadas...

19 de Septiembre el remake del primer Broken Sword

1989 - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
1990 - Loom
1990 - The Secret of Monkey Island
1991 - Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
1992 - Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
1993 - Maniac Mansion Day of the Tentacle
1993 - Sam & Max Hit the Road

Hangla Mangla escribió:Lo rejugué hace un par de años y coincido en que al final del todo se le va un poco la olla, pero en general, como decís, me sigue pareciendo superlativa.
Estoy revisando Wikipedia para ubicarla en el tiempo y es que lo de Lucasarts aquella época no tenía ningún sentido. Mínimo un clásico instantáneo al año, sin fallar nunca. Yo las jugué todas unos años más tarde (últimos 90 o primeros 2000, tal vez, salvo los Monkey Island que sí los jugué antes), casi seguidas, y me cuesta ser consciente de que salieron una detrás de otra.

1989 - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
1990 - Loom
1990 - The Secret of Monkey Island
1991 - Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
1992 - Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
1993 - Maniac Mansion Day of the Tentacle
1993 - Sam & Max Hit the Road

nadons escribió:¿Algunas impresiones de alguien que lo juegue o haya jugado? Gracias.

ElLitros escribió:Pues llevo unas cuantas horas dandole al Broken Sword Reforged. Me está gustando mucho y lo mejor de todo es que me lo sé de memoria.

Han mantenido el doblaje original (Si, incluido Tomás Rubio).
Puedes cambiar entre gráficos viejos y nuevos con un simple botón
Los nuevos gráficos le sientan genial.

Si le pongo un pequeño pero es que las cinemáticas se ven extrañas al ser redibujadas

spiderrrboy escribió:

ElLitros escribió:Pues llevo unas cuantas horas dandole al Broken Sword Reforged. Me está gustando mucho y lo mejor de todo es que me lo sé de memoria.

Han mantenido el doblaje original (Si, incluido Tomás Rubio).
Puedes cambiar entre gráficos viejos y nuevos con un simple botón
Los nuevos gráficos le sientan genial.

Si le pongo un pequeño pero es que las cinemáticas se ven extrañas al ser redibujadas

Pero salia el 19 no??

ElLitros escribió:Pues llevo unas cuantas horas dandole al Broken Sword Reforged. Me está gustando mucho y lo mejor de todo es que me lo sé de memoria.

Han mantenido el doblaje original (Si, incluido Tomás Rubio).
Puedes cambiar entre gráficos viejos y nuevos con un simple botón
Los nuevos gráficos le sientan genial.

Si le pongo un pequeño pero es que las cinemáticas se ven extrañas al ser redibujadas

rammestino escribió:Alguien se acuerda del Elvira: Mistress of the Dark?
Se podrá jugar a día de hoy bien en Pc?

nadons escribió:

LonelySoulGamer escribió:

katatsumuri escribió:3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT® - A COMEDY GRAPHIC ADVENTURE https://store.steampowered.com/app/8325 ... Adventure/
En una carrera contrarreloj, Betty se embarca en una emocionante aventura repleta de comedia para desenmarañar una conspiración que empieza con una explosión y termina a tres minutos para medianoche.

La verdad que tiene buena pinta, lo único que no me gusta es el puntero, no pega con el apartado visual, creo que otro puntero hubiera quedado mucho mejor.

¿Ya está?. Joder que rápido se han pasado las 2 semanas desde que el apañero @Torru85 la puso por aquí.

hilo_ho-aventuras-graficas-en-pc_1617372_s4950#p1754117124


Si alguno tiene tiempo de probarla que comente algo. Yo no voy a poder.

Gracias por el aviso.

¿Algunas impresiones de alguien que lo juegue o haya jugado? Gracias.

rammestino escribió:Alguien se acuerda del Elvira: Mistress of the Dark?
Se podrá jugar a día de hoy bien en Pc?

Torru85 escribió:

nadons escribió:

LonelySoulGamer escribió:
¿Ya está?. Joder que rápido se han pasado las 2 semanas desde que el apañero @Torru85 la puso por aquí.

hilo_ho-aventuras-graficas-en-pc_1617372_s4950#p1754117124


Si alguno tiene tiempo de probarla que comente algo. Yo no voy a poder.

Gracias por el aviso.

¿Algunas impresiones de alguien que lo juegue o haya jugado? Gracias.

En el último podcast de RDM lo analizan y hablan maravillas, se ve que es producto patrio, yo no lo sabía. Si no entendí mal hablan de alrededor de 40 horas de doblaje, me parece una animalada.

Además, han comentado que en el siguiente programa van a entrevistar a alguien del equipo de desarrollo. Yo aún no lo he podido probar.

@sahaquielz No recuerdo cuál fue el último hilo oficial de una aventura gráfica en EOL . Nos juntamos todos aquí y nos damos la turra entre nosotros. Yo creo que no hacen falta hilos oficiales para las aventuras gráficas, total no suelen tener fallos de rendimiento y siempre nos van rocosos 60fps

A mí se me fue la olla y a última hora fui mecenas nivel supremo en su kickstarter.

Black Templar escribió:

rammestino escribió:Alguien se acuerda del Elvira: Mistress of the Dark?
Se podrá jugar a día de hoy bien en Pc?

Inolvidable Elvira. La mujer de vanguardia con una buena retaguardia.