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Sheenmue escribió:Ya tienen la excusa perfecta para atacar Siria, aunque habrá que esperar a las elecciones americanas para saber como acaba esto. Desde luego que si ganan los republicanos las papeletas para una nueva guerra son muchas.
FOREVER ALONE escribió:una duda ¿si estados unidos entra,rusia y china tambien?
Kenny_666 escribió:FOREVER ALONE escribió:una duda ¿si estados unidos entra,rusia y china tambien?
El tema esta en que Rusia no quiere que entre nadie, digamos que son amigos de Siria (intereses comerciales a cascoporro) y China parece que también es amiga de Siria (los mismo que los rusos) así que el problema es, entra la OTAN (no lo creo) entra USA (poco probable) o los dejan que se maten, o enfadan a rusos y chinos...
Sea como fuere el pueblo de Siria esta jodido.
Kenny_666 escribió:FOREVER ALONE escribió:una duda ¿si estados unidos entra,rusia y china tambien?
El tema esta en que Rusia no quiere que entre nadie, digamos que son amigos de Siria (intereses comerciales a cascoporro) y China parece que también es amiga de Siria (los mismo que los rusos) así que el problema es, entra la OTAN (no lo creo) entra USA (poco probable) o los dejan que se maten, o enfadan a rusos y chinos...
Sea como fuere el pueblo de Siria esta jodido.
Turquía/Siria.- España expresa su "firme condena" al ataque sirio contra Turquía
El Gobierno de España ha expresado su "firme condena" al ataque sirio contra territorio turco, según ha informado el Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores y Cooperación en un comunicado.
MADRID, 4 (EUROPA PRESS) El Gobierno de España ha expresado su "firme condena" al ataque sirio contra territorio turco, según ha informado el Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores y Cooperación en un comunicado. Además, el Ejecutivo ha trasladado sus condolencias al Gobierno turco y a los familiares de las víctimas del ataque sirio, que se ha saldado con cinco muertos. El Gobierno también ha manifestado "su preocupación por la continuada crisis en Siria, que constituye una grave amenaza para la paz internacional".
Russia warns NATO against military intervention in Syria
The Russian Foreign Ministry has warned NATO against seeking “pretexts for carrying out a military scenario” in Syria.
“In our contacts with partners in NATO and in the region, we are calling on them not to seek pretexts for carrying out a military scenario or to introduce initiatives such as humanitarian corridors or buffer zones,” Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told reporters in Moscow on Tuesday.
Moscow has always advocated a resolution to the Syrian crisis through diplomatic and political means, defying imposition of any political transition on the country.
Gatilov also called for more restraint between Turkey and Syria, following Ankara’s repeated complaints against shells and artilleries that landed on its territory.
“We believe both Syrian and Turkish authorities should exercise maximum restraint in this situation, taking into account the rising number of radicals among the Syrian opposition who can intentionally provoke conflicts on the border.”
In August, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov also rejected the idea of imposing no-fly zones over Syria.
Syria has been experiencing unrest since March 2011.
The anti-Syria Western regimes have been calling on President Bashar al-Assad to step down, but Russia and China oppose the Western drive to oust the Syrian president.
On February 4, Russia and China vetoed a Western-backed draft resolution on Syria at the UN Security Council. The two countries rejected the draft as “unbalanced.” They also blocked a European-drafted UN Security Council resolution against Syria on October 5, 2011.
President Assad said on August 1 that the country is engaged in a “crucial and heroic” battle that will determine the destiny of the nation.
Crucex escribió:¿Sabéis lo que es un ataque de falsa bandera no?
Pues eso.
GRB_1984 escribió:No se debe olvidar que los turcos son musulmanes, ya se sabe o se intuye cómo pueden actuar en estos casos. Tiros y más tiros...
SashaX escribió:Se acaba de liar del todo.
El parlamento turco declara la guerra a Siria.![]()
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Eso han dicho en la sexta al menos.
GRB_1984 escribió:No se debe olvidar que los turcos son musulmanes, ya se sabe o se intuye cómo pueden actuar en estos casos. Tiros y más tiros...
Turkey won't declare war on Syria despite shelling, official says
Turkey fired on Syrian targets for a second day Thursday but said it has no intention of declaring war, despite tensions after deadly shelling from Syria killed five civilians in a Turkish border town.
Turkey's Parliament, meanwhile, began an emergency session to discuss a bill authorizing the military to launch cross border operations in Syria. If approved, the bill could more easily open the way to unilateral action by Turkey's armed forces inside Syria, without the involvement of its Western and Arab allies.
The cross-border tensions escalated on Wednesday after a shell fired from inside Syria landed on a home in the Turkish village of Akcakale on Wednesday, killing a woman, her three daughters and another woman, and wounding at least 10 others, according to Turkish media.
Turkish response was prompt. It fired salvos of artillery rounds deep inside Syria. The NATO military alliance, of which Turkey is a member, met at an emergency session in Brussels, condemned the attack on Turkey and demanded "the immediate cessation of such aggressive acts against an ally." It also urged the Syrian regime to "put an end to flagrant violations of international law."
Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi, meanwhile, offered his "sincerest condolences on behalf of the Syrian government to the family of the deceased and the Turkish people."
He appeared to be trying to reduce tensions, although he said Turkey must do more to control its borders and "prevent militants and terrorists from sneaking across."
An aide to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Thursday thatTurkey has no intention of declaring war on Syria but that the bill being debated in Parliament on Thursday was intended to give "Syria a warning." He spoke on condition of anonymity because civil servants are not allowed to speak to journalists without prior authorization.
TRT television reported that a military battalion based on the border town of Akcakale resumed striking Syrian targets across from the frontier overnight and that shelling continued Thursday morning.
Turkish Foreign Ministry officials were not immediately able to confirm the reports of renewed Turkish shelling, while Defense Ministry officials refused comment.
A myriad of Syrian rebel groups have been using Turkish territory as a base for their operations against the troops of Syria's President Bashar Assad. Thousands have died and hundreds of thousands have fled their homes since the start of the war in Syria last year.
Turkish legislators were debating a bill that would authorize the government to send troops to Syria or for warplanes to strike Syrian targets whenever it deems it necessary. A vote on the authorization, which would be valid for one year, is expected later on Thursday.
The government-proposed bill accuses Syria of carrying out "aggressive acts toward our country's territory" and says "these acts have continued despite our warnings and diplomatic initiatives."
If approved it would allow the government to determine "the scope, extent, and time" of any possible intervention.
Turkey, which has moved military reinforcements to the border in recent months, has more than 90,000 Syrian refugees in camps along its border, and also hosts Syrian opposition groups.
There is concern in Turkey that the Syrian chaos could have a destabilizing effect on Turkey's own communities; some observers have attributed a sharp rise in violence by Kurdish rebels in Turkey to militant efforts to take advantage of the regional uncertainty.
Turkey is still loath to go it alone in Syria, and is anxious for any intervention to have the legitimacy conferred by a U.N. resolution or the involvement of a broad group of allies. Turkey is mindful in part of inconclusive ground missions, mostly in the 1990s, against Kurdish guerrillas based in northern Iraq, as well as the bitter lessons of being seen as an occupying power that are associated with the U.S.-led invasion in Iraq. Reaching deeper into history, Turkey is aware of Mideast sensibilities over Ottoman rule over much of the region.
Additionally, there is no strong push for war among the Turkish public and Ankara is likely to act with some degree of restraint unless it suffers more casualties from Syrian fire in the days ahead. However, approval of the parliamentary bill could open the way to more retaliatory flare-ups along the border, similar to the periodic air and artillery strikes that Turkey has carried out for years against Kurdish rebel targets in northern Iraq.
G0RD0N escribió:Un poco de calma, no llega la sangre al rio de momento:Turkey won't declare war on Syria despite shelling, official says
Turkey fired on Syrian targets for a second day Thursday but said it has no intention of declaring war, despite tensions after deadly shelling from Syria killed five civilians in a Turkish border town.
Turkey's Parliament, meanwhile, began an emergency session to discuss a bill authorizing the military to launch cross border operations in Syria. If approved, the bill could more easily open the way to unilateral action by Turkey's armed forces inside Syria, without the involvement of its Western and Arab allies.
The cross-border tensions escalated on Wednesday after a shell fired from inside Syria landed on a home in the Turkish village of Akcakale on Wednesday, killing a woman, her three daughters and another woman, and wounding at least 10 others, according to Turkish media.
Turkish response was prompt. It fired salvos of artillery rounds deep inside Syria. The NATO military alliance, of which Turkey is a member, met at an emergency session in Brussels, condemned the attack on Turkey and demanded "the immediate cessation of such aggressive acts against an ally." It also urged the Syrian regime to "put an end to flagrant violations of international law."
Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi, meanwhile, offered his "sincerest condolences on behalf of the Syrian government to the family of the deceased and the Turkish people."
He appeared to be trying to reduce tensions, although he said Turkey must do more to control its borders and "prevent militants and terrorists from sneaking across."
An aide to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Thursday thatTurkey has no intention of declaring war on Syria but that the bill being debated in Parliament on Thursday was intended to give "Syria a warning." He spoke on condition of anonymity because civil servants are not allowed to speak to journalists without prior authorization.
TRT television reported that a military battalion based on the border town of Akcakale resumed striking Syrian targets across from the frontier overnight and that shelling continued Thursday morning.
Turkish Foreign Ministry officials were not immediately able to confirm the reports of renewed Turkish shelling, while Defense Ministry officials refused comment.
A myriad of Syrian rebel groups have been using Turkish territory as a base for their operations against the troops of Syria's President Bashar Assad. Thousands have died and hundreds of thousands have fled their homes since the start of the war in Syria last year.
Turkish legislators were debating a bill that would authorize the government to send troops to Syria or for warplanes to strike Syrian targets whenever it deems it necessary. A vote on the authorization, which would be valid for one year, is expected later on Thursday.
The government-proposed bill accuses Syria of carrying out "aggressive acts toward our country's territory" and says "these acts have continued despite our warnings and diplomatic initiatives."
If approved it would allow the government to determine "the scope, extent, and time" of any possible intervention.
Turkey, which has moved military reinforcements to the border in recent months, has more than 90,000 Syrian refugees in camps along its border, and also hosts Syrian opposition groups.
There is concern in Turkey that the Syrian chaos could have a destabilizing effect on Turkey's own communities; some observers have attributed a sharp rise in violence by Kurdish rebels in Turkey to militant efforts to take advantage of the regional uncertainty.
Turkey is still loath to go it alone in Syria, and is anxious for any intervention to have the legitimacy conferred by a U.N. resolution or the involvement of a broad group of allies. Turkey is mindful in part of inconclusive ground missions, mostly in the 1990s, against Kurdish guerrillas based in northern Iraq, as well as the bitter lessons of being seen as an occupying power that are associated with the U.S.-led invasion in Iraq. Reaching deeper into history, Turkey is aware of Mideast sensibilities over Ottoman rule over much of the region.
Additionally, there is no strong push for war among the Turkish public and Ankara is likely to act with some degree of restraint unless it suffers more casualties from Syrian fire in the days ahead. However, approval of the parliamentary bill could open the way to more retaliatory flare-ups along the border, similar to the periodic air and artillery strikes that Turkey has carried out for years against Kurdish rebel targets in northern Iraq.
Sería muy descarado que sin una mínima investigación de la procedencia real de esos morteros, por ejemplo de radicales en la oposición para provocar un conflicto Turkia(OTAN)-Siria, se liaran en una guerra con consecuencias impredecibles.
G0RD0N escribió:Crucex escribió:¿Sabéis lo que es un ataque de falsa bandera no?
Pues eso.
Tiene toda la pinta. Mira la advertencia de Rusia a la OTAN en mi anterior noticia: es del martes. Un día después llegan los primeros petardos.
Creo que los rusos ya se olían estas maniobras.
"El arma utilizada contra Turquía desde Siria era de la OTAN"
Analistas consideran que la OTAN está utilizando a Turquía para justificar una agresión contra territorio sirio
El autor del artículo publicó varias pruebas que confirman que Ankara había entregado dicho armamento al denominado Ejército Libre Sirio (ELS) y afirmó que Ankara busca una provocación que le sirva de pretexto para un eventual ataque contra Damasco. El primer ministro turco, Recep Tayipp Erdogan, destacó que su país está preparado para una eventual guerra y este lunes Turquía respondió al fuego cruzado desde Siria sobre una de sus provincias.
"Dos objetivos: la hegemonía en la región y Rusia"
La analista Purificación Gonzáles, abogada y escritora, consideró en diálogo con RT que ya no se puede ocultar más que Turquía se ha convertido en un brazo armado de Occidente y de la OTAN contra Siria. "Esto es tan evidente que el propio primer ministro Erdogan ha solicitado del Parlamento turco autorización para intervenir en Siria si llegara el caso", explicó.
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