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Nuku nuku escribió:Pues el del puño de la estrella del norte pinta bien, efectivamente es un skin a todas luces, pero no se, tiene buena pinta, aunque te tiene que gustar el manga.
El tema es que me da que pasara como con el resto de Spin offs y no llegara, un Yakuza que ademas esta basado en un manga que no todos conocen por los años que tiene... me extrañaria, es cierto que los Mouso llegaron, pero son mas arcade y con menos textos.
legionpsm escribió:Nuku nuku escribió:Pues el del puño de la estrella del norte pinta bien, efectivamente es un skin a todas luces, pero no se, tiene buena pinta, aunque te tiene que gustar el manga.
El tema es que me da que pasara como con el resto de Spin offs y no llegara, un Yakuza que ademas esta basado en un manga que no todos conocen por los años que tiene... me extrañaria, es cierto que los Mouso llegaron, pero son mas arcade y con menos textos.
Bueno, el of the end/dead souls si llegó, así que nunca se sabe . Además, ya han llegado otros juegos del puño de la estrella del norte a nuestro continente, por parte de sega, así que yo no lo descartaría, de momento .
Un saludo.
Dene escribió:Creo recordar en los otros Yakuza que si te lo permiten. Justo en el momento que palmas te dejan volver a intentarlo en una dificultad más baja.
Hace ya unos cuántos que no palmo e igual la memoria me traiciona.
Kiniela escribió:Dene escribió:Creo recordar en los otros Yakuza que si te lo permiten. Justo en el momento que palmas te dejan volver a intentarlo en una dificultad más baja.
Hace ya unos cuántos que no palmo e igual la memoria me traiciona.
En yakuza 2 recuerdo que si, aqui parece que nanai .... estoy jodido xD espero poder pasarlo o me toca empezar de nuevo
Sergirt82 escribió:Que yo sepa, en el menú de pausa, abajo del todo en Settings, puedes cambiar la dificultad siempre que quieras. Al menos en los últimos Yakuza es así, y no creo que el 4 sea una excepción.
mimeh escribió:Sergirt82 escribió:Que yo sepa, en el menú de pausa, abajo del todo en Settings, puedes cambiar la dificultad siempre que quieras. Al menos en los últimos Yakuza es así, y no creo que el 4 sea una excepción.
En los de PS3 no puedes, no. Solamente te dejan bajarla si te atascas en alguna misión (y luego no la puedes volver a subir).
Kiniela escribió:mimeh escribió:Sergirt82 escribió:Que yo sepa, en el menú de pausa, abajo del todo en Settings, puedes cambiar la dificultad siempre que quieras. Al menos en los últimos Yakuza es así, y no creo que el 4 sea una excepción.
En los de PS3 no puedes, no. Solamente te dejan bajarla si te atascas en alguna misión (y luego no la puedes volver a subir).
Pues me han matado 15 o 20 veces (que estaba a un toque) y nada :/
mimeh escribió:
En el mismo jefe? Qué raro, igual solo dejan cambiarla si estás en normal y en hard no. Pero vamos, si eso búscate algún truco para el jefe en el que te has atascado, si tienes que ir cargado de armas o lo que sea no tengas vergüenza ninguna que para eso están!
-Nayru- escribió:
Ahora mismo llevo un par de días que estoy dedicándome en exclusiva al negocio del Sunshine cabaret club de Majima, vicia bastante jaja
-Nayru- escribió:Buenas, precisamente del Yakuza 0 vengo a hablar.
Es la primera vez que juego a la saga, por recomendación de un amigo y también porque me encanta la cultura japonesa y este juego tenía todas las papeletas de molarme. Me parece de lo mejor que he jugado en los últimos años, la historia de los 2 protagonistas parece de guión de película, muy interesante y muy buenos giros.
Las substories la mayoría son muy divertidas de hacer, cosa que me ha sorprendido también. Es una pena que mucha gente se lo pierda por el tema de el inglés, que la verdad es bastante elevado el nivel que hay que tener, yo hay palabras que no sé a veces qué significan y solo por el contexto entiendo qué quieren decir (encima está también el inglés "barriobajero" de los yakuza xDD).
Ahora mismo llevo un par de días que estoy dedicándome en exclusiva al negocio del Sunshine cabaret club de Majima, vicia bastante jaja
Después de este tengo el Kiwami, asi que tengo Yakuza para rato ¡Me alegra haberla descubierto!
-Nayru- escribió:@Tommy_Vercetti Joder, las fotos de Kamurocho y Sotenbori son exactas al videojuego jaja es super realista y con mucho detalle, y eso que el Yakuza 0 está basado en los años 80
elokillo escribió:Hola,
Me acabo de pasar el Kiwami y me ha gustado mucho (Ya en su día me pasé el 1 jejej) me recomendáis pasarme el 2 o seguir con el zero?
Saludos
■ Adventure
◆ New Nightlife Island
The Goal: To Become the No. 1 Cabaret Club in Japan
The immensly popular “Nightlife Island” play spot that debuted in Yakuza 0 finally returns in Yakuza: Kiwami 2. While keeping the fun of the original, “New Nightlife Island” adds many new elements and features, is even easier to play, and has even more exciting content. Many of the characters that appeared in Yakuza 0, including the heroine Yuki, will appear again. The setting is the “Cabaret Club Grand Prix,” a competition to decide the number one cabaret club in the country, where you can enjoy grand-scale “Cabaret Club Business Battles.”
Story
After a certain trouble, Kiryu comes to know Yuki, the owner of the Sotenbori cabaret club “Four Shine.” However, Four Shine is losing a lot of staff due to the business obstruction and overbearing recruitment of the huge cabaret club company known as the Kanzaki Group, and is being forced into a position where it cannot make business.
In order to escape that dilemma and as her last bet, Yuki decides to participate in the “Cabaret Club Grand Prix,” a competition to decide the best cabaret club in the country. If she wins, it will come with the impact of major publicity, but if she loses, it is possible her reputation will sour and she will lose the club.
Yuki’s enthusiasm to challenge the competition with such unyielding conviction moved Kiryu, and he decides to support her business. Will Kiryu be able to win this competition against the Kanzkai Group and the country’s other veteran cabaret clubs, and save Four Shine?
Basic Rules
This play spot is a simulation game where, as club manager, you will assign hosts based on the customers that visit the cabaret club one after the next. If you assign a customer a host suited to their tastes, they will spend a lot of money. The abilities of your dozens of hosts are extremely varied. As you grow, your abilities will increase, and you will be able to satisfy even more customers. Understand each customer’s preferences while developing your hosts to increase sales, and aim to become the number one cabaret club in the country.
Cabaret Grand Prix
The setting of New Nightlife Island is the “Cabaret Club Grand Prix,” where veteran cabaret clubs from around the country gather and compete to determine the number one cabaret club. Cabaret clubs from not only Sotenbori, but from all over the country, will become your rivals.
The Cabaret Club Grand Prix consists of four leagues—the “Fresh League,” “Paradise League,” “Executive League,” and “Millionaire League.” The story will develop as you win through all of these leagues, and defeat the champion of each league. It will then be possible to challenge the current number one club in the country, the Kanzaki Group’s famous “Sotenbori Sunshine.”
Popular Sexy Actresses Appear as Rivals
—Kirara (voiced by Kirara Asuka) – Final Championship
The top host of “Sotenbori Sunshine,” the current champion of the Cabaret Grand Prix. She is known as a “legendary hostess.” She considers Four Shine owner Yuki a rival.
—Aika (voiced by Aika) – Paradise League
With the nickame “Festival Queen,” she is the queen of the world of excitement. She can make any customer feel merry and cheerful.
—Shouko (voiced by Shouko Takahashi) – Executive League
A host who earned the name “Perfect Queen” from her ability to perfectly serve customers. She is very professional and has a high reputation among cabaret connoisseurs.
—Kana (voiced by Kana Momonogi) – Fresh League
A newcomer to the Kanazaki Group. With her serious and hard working customer service, she is driving the success of the newly established club, “Hiroshima Sweet God.”
—Yua (voiced by Yua Mikami) – Millionaire League
A former idol and novelty hostess. Due to her overwhelming popularity, she is known as the “National Hostess.”
◆ New Clan Creator
Evolved Large-Scale Battles
The “Clan Creator” play spot that debuted Yakuza 6: The Song of Life, in which the player could enjoy dynamic tactical battles where one large group of people fought against another large group of people, has been significantly enhanced for Yakuza: Kiwami 2. Set at “Majima Construction,” which is led by Goro Majima, huge battles will unfold where hundreds of enemies and allies alike are jumbled together.
The “New Clan Creator” has completely new rules compared to the previous Clan Creator. It has evolved into a “defense-type” real-time strategy game where you protect Majima Construction from foreign enemies. It offers deeper enjoyment than the previous Clan Creator.
Also, the five legendary wrestlers Keiji Mutoh, Masahiro Chono, Riki Choshu, Genichiro Tenryu, and Tatsumi Fujinami will appears foreign enemies that attack Majima Construction.
Story
Goro Majima, who left the Tojo Clan and went legit to start up the “Majima Construction” construction company, successfully contracted a major project known as the “Kamurocho Hills Construction Project.”
However, Keiji Mutoh, the president of “Mutoh Real Estate,” a corrupt real estate corporation that had their eye on this money-moving project, colludes with Masahiro Chono, the leader of Kamurocho’s largest gang “Colors,” and the legendary land sharks known as “The Three Land Musketeers”—Riki Choshu, Genichiro Tenryu, and Tatsumi Fujinami—to hinder Majima Construction and plunder the business entirely.
The construction period was delayed as a result of their repeated obstruction, and Majima Construction’s Kamurocho Hills Construction Project was driven to the point of deadlock. As a debt of gratitude to Majima, Kiryu decides to cooperate with Majima Construction. Will Kiryu be able to destroy Mutoh and his men, and protect the Hills Project?
System
For missions, you can choose a maximum of nine workers to dispatch. You can strengthen Majima Construction’s facilities by spending money. If a mission is too difficult to clear, try strengthening the construction site’s facilities.
Battle
The New Clan Creator’s battles are defensive-rule and task the player with protecting the facility to the very end from the enemy attacks as they appear one after the next. Control a maximum of nine characters and protect the facility from the enemy army attacking to destroy the facility. With a limited number of defense members, these battles are made up of hundreds of people where you will prevent the enemy’s attack. If you defend against the enemy attack without your facilities being completely destroyed, you will win, but if your facilities are completely destroyed in the middle of the battle, you will lose. Workers have secret techniques and abilities that exhibit various effects during battle, which you can use to more favorably progress the fight.
Network
By using the network feature, you can play limited missions. Through this, you can play exclusive missions where special enemies appear and high-difficulty challenge missions. Also, when you clear a mission, you will earn a score, which will be registered on the network rankings. In this way, you can compete with players across the country.
Fuente: Gematsu
Sergirt82 escribió:Aquí unas cuantas imágenes de como queda en inglés:
■ Adventure
◆ Sotenbori, Osaka
Many New Stores Appear! Kansai’s No. 1 Entertainment District: Sotenbori, Osaka
Kansai’s greatest entertainment district, Sotenbori is a restaurant district representative of Osaka, where people spend too much money on food. Depending on the store, there is theme music playing and considerable liveliness. Sotenbori is crowded with famous restaurants known by everyone, including Kani Douraku and Zuboraya. It is a district full of energy, where the tourists never cease, even late at night.
New Tie-Up Stores Also Appear!
Many tie-up stores such as Kani Douraku, Kinryu Ramen, Kushikatu Daruma, and Osaka Osho, which have become a symbol of previous entries in the Yakuza series, will appear again in Yakuza: Kiwami 2. Additionally, new tie-up stores such as Takoyaki-Ten Kukuru, Gyu-Kaku, Tsuruha Drug, and more will appear.
Upgraded Play Spots
—Yokobori Golf Center
In Sotenbori, an upgraded Yokobori Golf Center is open. Here, you can play a “near pin challenge” in which you compete to get closest to the pin, and a “bingo challenge” in which you shoot at a three-by-three target to get bingo.
—Four Shine
In the two-story building in Shofukucho is the cabaret club Four Shine, where the “New Nightlife Island” play spot is set. At first it only has a few customers, but Kiryu will become the manager to support the cabaret club business and raise it to become the number one cabaret club in Japan.
Sotenbori Sub-Stories
—Kiryu’s Model Debut?
Walking along the Iwao Bridge, Kiryu is scouted by a man who asks, “Why not try being a model?” It seems that the model that was supposed to be photographed disappeared, and he is looking for someone to model in his place. He strongly says that Kiryu is the perfect match for the image of that model, and Kiryu accepts the job. At the location of the shoot, the art director “Poison Mitsuo” awaits. It appears that Poison Mitsuo hosts unconventional photo shoots in order to photograph true human instinct and nature. Kiryu was told this, but still accompanies the man to the photo shoot. However…
Kiryu responds to the topics thrown out by Poison Mitsuo with various poses. Can Kiryu’s poses really make the art director Poison Mitsuo’s soul tremble?
Fuente:Gematsu
■ Adventure
◆ Fulfilling Play Spots, from “Toilets” to “Virtual-On“
Toilets
“Even the toilet is a place to play!” Toilets is a series-first play spot. The Electronic POP “Toilets” implemented at Sega Interactive shops are now a game. Among the several varieties of “Toilets” content, you can enjoy “Splash Battle! Milk from the Nose” and “The North Wind, the Sun, and Me” in Yakuza: Kiwami 2. In order to play the Toilets, you have to accumulate “Toilets Points” by eating and drinking. You can check your points at the “Toilets Center,” and when your tank is full, you can play the Toilets.
Virtual-On
The 1995-released arcade game. Pilot giant robots called “Virtuaroids” in this action shooting game where high density and high mobility battles unfold in a three-dimensional virtual space. Choose from eight types of Virtuaroids, play one-on-one battles one after the next, and aim for victory.
Karaoke
The series’ regular rhythm action game. You can play it at the “Karaoke House” in Kamurocho or “Snack New Momoko” in Sotenbori. And in Yakuza: Kiwami 2, not only can you sing karaoke with hostesses, you can also sing with Goro Majima or Haruka. New songs have been added for Kazuma Kiryu, as well as Majima. A passionate ballad unique to Majima, that can only be sung by Majima.
Golf
A golf mini-game playable at the Yokobori Golf Center in Sotenbori. It has been rebuilt from the ground up using the Dragon Engine, and has been reborn completely from the golf mini-game included in previous titles. In Yakuza: Kiwami 2, you can play a “near pin challenge” in which you compete to get closest to the pin, and a “bingo challenge” in which you shoot at a three-by-three target to get bingo.
Batting Center
The series’ regular “Batting Center” mini-game can be enjoyed in Yakuza: Kiwami 2 by going to the Yoshida Batting Center in Kamurocho. In addition to the “Challenge Course” and “Home Run Course” added in Yakuza 6: The Song of Life, you can also challenge the new “Home Run Race” course.
Mahjong
You can play mahjong at “Jansou Lullaby” in Kamurocho or “Reach Towers” in Sotenbori. You can compete in the “Ryuumeisen” event battle at Jansou Lullaby, and the “Sotenpai” event battle at Reach Towers. The entrance fee for event battles cost a large sum, but if you win you can acquire a great amount of money.
Shogi
At the shogi shop, you can play “Ranking Match” and “Challenge” modes. In Ranking Match mode, you start at rank 10 and try to win to advance while aiming for the top. In Challenge mode, you start with a preset board on which you must capture the opponent’s king. You will earn points by winning in both modes, which can be exchanged for prizes.
Casino
By purchasing chips at the casino, you can play “poker” and “black jack.” The chips you earn at the casino can be exchanged for prizes.
Gambling Den
By purchasing kifuda at the gambling den, you can play “koi-koi” and “oicho-kabu.” The credits you earn at the gambling den can be exchanged for prizes.
◆ Gravure Photo Studio
The popular gravure idols Hikaru Aoyama and Rina Hashimoto appear in the new “Gravure Photo Studio” play spot. The player takes on the role of a cameraman and can enjoy conversation with the idol while taking gravure photographs. If you keep the conversation going and skillfully bring out her charm, you may even be able to take that service shot.
◆ Coliseum
The coliseum is one of the series’ traditional play spots. In the coliseum where all sorts of fighters appear, aim to dominate every tournament. There are various rules to coliseum tournaments, including standard one-versus-one battles, “Huge Fire Battles” where flames shoot out from the floor, “Electric Battles” where touching the wall results in an explosion, and “Grand Melee Battles” where eight characters battle at the same time.
Huge Fire Battle
A battle set on a stage where flames shoot out from the floor at regular intervals. Since you will take damage if you touch the flames, try to fight while avoiding the fire.
Electric Battle
A battle set on a stage surrounded by a fence that touching causes a damage-dealing explosion. Try to fight while staying away from the fence. By flinging your opponent towards the fence, you can hit them with explosion damage.
Grand Melee Battle
A battle royale rule where eight characters, including Kiryu, participate at the same time. Various weapons will drop in the ring, so try to use them skillfully.
Wrestling Legends Also Participate
By meeting specific conditions,the legendary wrestlers that appear in the New Clan Creator play spot will participate in the coliseum. Each wrestler has their own signature moves that they will use when facing Kiryu. They are all powerful, so be careful not to get hit.
Fuente: Gematsu
del Ishin!
Sergirt82 escribió:Así que este año apuesto por el anuncio del Kiwami 2 y........ Hagan sus apuestas .del Ishin!
mimeh escribió:Sergirt82 escribió:Así que este año apuesto por el anuncio del Kiwami 2 y........ Hagan sus apuestas .del Ishin!
Ojalá... hoy me estaba poniendo ojitos desde la estantería pero he sido fuerte.
Sergirt82 escribió:* Ya tenéis disponible la demo de Kiwami 2 en la Store japonesa:
https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/pro ... AMI2JP0000
Aquí los menús traducidos:
https://dojimasdragongirl.wordpress.com ... o-version/
* Votación para escoger el fan art que irá en la última pagina del artbook que incluirá Yakuza 6:
http://yakuza.sega.com/y6artcontest/
* Carátula de Hokuto no Gotoku:
Sergirt82 escribió:
* Carátula de Hokuto no Gotoku:
Dene escribió:@Sergirt82 Sabes la ruta para buscar la demo en la store desde consola? No he dado con ella.
mimeh escribió:Ya está la demo en la Store japo, en cuanto llegue a casa la pongo a bajar!
https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/pro ... AMI2JP0000
Desde la consola está donde siempre. Se entra en la Store, luego en el menú azul de la izquierda se baja hasta justo el siguiente después de "Playstation Plus", se le da a la derecha y en el nuevo menú se baja hasta el último justo antes de la línea separadora.
Son 10 GB.
Sergirt82 escribió:Dene escribió:@Sergirt82 Sabes la ruta para buscar la demo en la store desde consola? No he dado con ella.mimeh escribió:Ya está la demo en la Store japo, en cuanto llegue a casa la pongo a bajar!
https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/pro ... AMI2JP0000
Desde la consola está donde siempre. Se entra en la Store, luego en el menú azul de la izquierda se baja hasta justo el siguiente después de "Playstation Plus", se le da a la derecha y en el nuevo menú se baja hasta el último justo antes de la línea separadora.
Son 10 GB.
Ryu ga Gotoku (PS2) - 37/40
Ryu ga Gotoku 2 (PS2) - 38/40
Ryu ga Gotoku Kenzan! (PS3) - 37/40
Ryu ga Gotoku 3 (PS3) - 38/40
Ryu ga Gotoku 4 (PS3) - 38/40
Kurohyō: Ryū ga Gotoku (PSP) - 36/40
Ryu ga Gotoku of the End (PS3) - 37/40
Kurohyō 2: Ryū ga Gotoku (PSP) - 38/40
Ryu ga Gotoku 5 (PS3) - 40/40
Ryu ga Gotoku Ishin! (PS4) - 39/40
Ryu ga Gotoku Zero (PS4) – 36/40
Ryu ga Gotoku: Kiwami (PS4) – 8/9/9/8 [34/40]
Ryu ga Gotoku 6 (PS4) – 10/10/9/10 [39/40]
* Gold Prizes (over 500,000 cumulative shipments in Japan and Asia, including downloads, as of September 30th, 2017):
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection
Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege
FIFA 17
Battlefield 1
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
Yakuza 6: The Song of Life
Resident Evil 7 biohazard
NiOh
NieR: Automata
Horizon Zero Dawn
FIFA 18
Hokuto ga Gotoku demo launches February in Japan
Sega will release a demo for Hokuto ga Gotoku, its Yakuza-style Fist of the North Star game from Yakuza Studio, for PlayStation 4 via the PlayStation Store in February in Japan.
Here are some other new details:
* Sega will run online video advertisements for Hokuto ga Gotoku from late December to mid-January, as well as both online video advertisements and website advertisements in February.
* Gameplay video(s) will come out in mid-January.
* Hands-on events are planned for the second half of December into January in cities such as Tokyo and Osaka.
* TV commercials will run from mid-February into early March.
* They’re targeting 400,000 sales.
Hokuto ga Gotoku is due out for PlayStation 4 on February 22 in Japan in standard and “Century’s End Premium” editions.
Fuente: Gematsu
Ryu ga Gotoku Kiwami 2 (platinum)
– obtained all trophies
Majima’s way of life
– cleared the story of Majima’s section
Story 1
– cleared Chapter 1 of the main story
Story 2
– cleared Chapter 2 of the main story
Story 3
– cleared Chapter 3 of the main story
Story 4
– cleared Chapter 4 of the main story
Story 5
– cleared Chapter 5 of the main story
Story 6
– cleared Chapter 6 of the main story
Story 7
– cleared Chapter 7 of the main story
Story 8
– cleared Chapter 8 of the main story
Story 9
– cleared Chapter 9 of the main story
Story 10
– cleared Chapter 10 of the main story
Story 11
– cleared Chapter 11 of the main story
Story 12
– cleared Chapter 12 of the main story
Story 13
– cleared Chapter 13 of the main story
Story 14
– cleared Chapter 14 of the main story
Story 15
– cleared Chapter 15 of the main story
Thanks from the staff (silver)
– cleared all chapters of the main story
Legendary man (gold)
– cleared the game on Legend difficulty
10 Substories
– cleared 10 substories
30 Substories
– cleared 30 substories
Substories complete domination! (silver)
– cleared all substories
Completion list 10
– cleared 10 items on the completion list
Completion list 30
– cleared 30 items on the completion list
Completion list 50
– cleared 50 items on the completion list
Completion list complete domination! (silver)
– cleared all items on the completion list
Skills master – battle
– acquired all battle skills
Skills master – heat actions
– acquired all heat actions
Skills master – other skills
– acquired all other skills
Long-legged Ojisan
– donated a total of 1,000,000 yen to Sunflower
Total skill master (silver)
– acquired all skills
Undisputed strength
– passed 180 strength rating without equipment
Undisputed attack power
– passed 180 attack rating without equipment
Undisputed defence
– passed 180 defence rating without equipment
Undisputed spirit
– passed 180 heat gauge rating without equipment
A man beyond limits
– achieved limit break on any basic skill
Abilities master (silver)
– achieved the highest level in all basic skills
Settle the score with Amon (silver)
– cleared the substory “The Ultimate Assassin”
Weapon master (silver)
– defeated 100 enemies using weapons
Playspot guide
– played at all playspots
Conqueror of the arena
– became champion of all tournaments in the coliseum
The strongest bodyguard
– cleared all bodyguard missions
Welcome to Four Shine!
– started working for Four Shine
A natural scout
– recruited 30 cabaret girls
Celebrate the Grand Prix!
– became Cabaret Club Grand Prix champion
Legend in black
– cleared the cabaret club management story
Kiryu’s advice shop
– listened to the troubles of all the platinum cast
Video enthusiast
– watched all videos
Get a job at Majima Construction
– started working for Majima Construction
Majima Construction expansion
– had over 50 people working for Majima Construction
Legendary construction company
– cleared the Clan Creator story
Strongest foreman
– achieved a Clan Creator mission score higher than 200,000
Coin locker complete domination!
– opened all coin lockers
Gourmet reporter
– ate or drank at all restaurants and bars in the main part of the game
City cameraman
– took 10 photos with the phone camera
Drink complete domination!
– drank all types of vending machine drinks
You’re barred
– wrecked three shops in the main part of the game
There’s money!
– had more than 10,000,000 yen
City guardian
– defeated all encounter bosses in the main part of the game
TIGA escribió:Que probabilidades hay de que SEGA haga un Yakuza Kiwami 3,4 y 5? Lo digo porque justo acabo de terminar el Zero y me ha encantado, pero claro, de cara al 6, no he jugado a ninguno de los otros y me perdería demasiado... Seguiré con Kiwami y Kiwami 2 (cuando salga en Europa) pero sería demasiado saltar directo al 6 :/