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Lloyd_Banks escribió:@Andrómeda ya Guardianes 3 no me hizo mucha gracia, y aunque suene muy raro, prefiero la SS original con WIll y Margot. Así que espero poco de él. tiene toda la pinta que Marvel les va a pasar por encima en esta nueva era, otra vez.
exitfor escribió:Es que con las grandes de marvel solamente ya no hay nada que competir.
No tienen nada detras que respalde un gran proyecto. Lo bueno podrá competir y ganarle al resto igual, pero no tienen nada que hacer contra 4F y mucho menos contra Doomsday/Secret wars.
Alleged Superman plot
Superman is taken to the Fortress of Solitude to be healed by the robots that work there.
Lex Luthor and his team are introduced. They hate Superman and devise a plan to eliminate him, involving a partnership with the government of a foreign nation to take over a smaller country. (A political metaphor: Luthor = Elon Musk, corrupt country = Russia, small country = Ukraine.)
At the Daily Planet, Jimmy Olsen behaves as expected, but with a twist—girls obsessively fawn over him, and he can't escape their attention.
Lois questions how Clark consistently gets interviews with Superman, creating some tension.
Lois goes to her apartment at night and finds Clark there. It’s revealed they’ve been secretly dating for three months, and she knows he’s Superman. Their tension is all part of a “cute role-play thing” at work.
In her living room, Lois complains about Clark always interviewing Superman. She playfully turns on her microphone to record him, starting as a cute game but devolving into a long domestic argument about foreign policy and Superman’s involvement.
Lex Luthor releases monsters into the city to fight Superman, who defeats them. The Justice Gang appears and helps in the fight, they are basically the Guardians of the Galaxy.
At one point, Luthor enters the Fortress of Solitude, uncorrupts Jor-El’s messages about Superman being sent to conquer the world, and broadcasts them worldwide. The messages turn humanity against Superman, making him an outcast.
Superman, shunned by the world, returns to his human family.
Lex Luthor has access to a pocket universe where he traps people he hates, including ex-girlfriends. He violently beats Krypto and takes him to this universe. Somehow Superman ends up trapped there too.
Lois and the Justice Gang discover Superman's location in the pocket universe through Jimmy, who had been secretly sexting Luthor’s girlfriend.
She’s obsessed with Superman, and her provocative photos unintentionally reveal confidential data.
Superman eventually escapes the pocket universe by flying through pixelated lava, which looks like Minecraft.
Superman saves some people and fights the foreign army, earning forgiveness from others.
The best action scene, "as good as" the hallway scene in the Guardians of the Galaxy 3, involves Mr Terrific
Superman learns about Luthor’s plans with the foreign nation. He informs the government, but Luthor counters by revealing he cloned Superman. A fight ensues between Superman and his clone, who shares his DNA and could access the Fortress of Solitude.
Superman defeats the clone, and Luthor is taken to jail.
Superman returns to the Fortress of Solitude, where a drunk sorority version of Supergirl appears to reclaim Krypto (her dog). She had asked Superman to watch him for the week.
Superman sits back, asks to “see his family again,” but instead of Jor-El, it’s his human family.
unilordx escribió:En teoría ha habido leaks de los últimos screentests y hasta del guión pero he llegado tarde y solo quedan las opiniones (contradictorias) de como ha sido las respuesta la peli.
EDIT: pues mira, pide y recibirás, me lo han puesto por otro sitio, no lo voy a traducir asi que copio y pego tal cual.Alleged Superman plot
Superman is taken to the Fortress of Solitude to be healed by the robots that work there.
Lex Luthor and his team are introduced. They hate Superman and devise a plan to eliminate him, involving a partnership with the government of a foreign nation to take over a smaller country. (A political metaphor: Luthor = Elon Musk, corrupt country = Russia, small country = Ukraine.)
At the Daily Planet, Jimmy Olsen behaves as expected, but with a twist—girls obsessively fawn over him, and he can't escape their attention.
Lois questions how Clark consistently gets interviews with Superman, creating some tension.
Lois goes to her apartment at night and finds Clark there. It’s revealed they’ve been secretly dating for three months, and she knows he’s Superman. Their tension is all part of a “cute role-play thing” at work.
In her living room, Lois complains about Clark always interviewing Superman. She playfully turns on her microphone to record him, starting as a cute game but devolving into a long domestic argument about foreign policy and Superman’s involvement.
Lex Luthor releases monsters into the city to fight Superman, who defeats them. The Justice Gang appears and helps in the fight, they are basically the Guardians of the Galaxy.
At one point, Luthor enters the Fortress of Solitude, uncorrupts Jor-El’s messages about Superman being sent to conquer the world, and broadcasts them worldwide. The messages turn humanity against Superman, making him an outcast.
Superman, shunned by the world, returns to his human family.
Lex Luthor has access to a pocket universe where he traps people he hates, including ex-girlfriends. He violently beats Krypto and takes him to this universe. Somehow Superman ends up trapped there too.
Lois and the Justice Gang discover Superman's location in the pocket universe through Jimmy, who had been secretly sexting Luthor’s girlfriend.
She’s obsessed with Superman, and her provocative photos unintentionally reveal confidential data.
Superman eventually escapes the pocket universe by flying through pixelated lava, which looks like Minecraft.
Superman saves some people and fights the foreign army, earning forgiveness from others.
The best action scene, "as good as" the hallway scene in the Guardians of the Galaxy 3, involves Mr Terrific
Superman learns about Luthor’s plans with the foreign nation. He informs the government, but Luthor counters by revealing he cloned Superman. A fight ensues between Superman and his clone, who shares his DNA and could access the Fortress of Solitude.
Superman defeats the clone, and Luthor is taken to jail.
Superman returns to the Fortress of Solitude, where a drunk sorority version of Supergirl appears to reclaim Krypto (her dog). She had asked Superman to watch him for the week.
Superman sits back, asks to “see his family again,” but instead of Jor-El, it’s his human family.
Mi opinión conforme lo he ido leyendo.
Por favor que sea fake por muy real que parezca porque suena todo muy James Gunn.
unilordx escribió:En teoría ha habido leaks de los últimos screentests y hasta del guión pero he llegado tarde y solo quedan las opiniones (contradictorias) de como ha sido las respuesta la peli.
EDIT: pues mira, pide y recibirás, me lo han puesto por otro sitio, no lo voy a traducir asi que copio y pego tal cual.Alleged Superman plot
Superman is taken to the Fortress of Solitude to be healed by the robots that work there.
Lex Luthor and his team are introduced. They hate Superman and devise a plan to eliminate him, involving a partnership with the government of a foreign nation to take over a smaller country. (A political metaphor: Luthor = Elon Musk, corrupt country = Russia, small country = Ukraine.)
At the Daily Planet, Jimmy Olsen behaves as expected, but with a twist—girls obsessively fawn over him, and he can't escape their attention.
Lois questions how Clark consistently gets interviews with Superman, creating some tension.
Lois goes to her apartment at night and finds Clark there. It’s revealed they’ve been secretly dating for three months, and she knows he’s Superman. Their tension is all part of a “cute role-play thing” at work.
In her living room, Lois complains about Clark always interviewing Superman. She playfully turns on her microphone to record him, starting as a cute game but devolving into a long domestic argument about foreign policy and Superman’s involvement.
Lex Luthor releases monsters into the city to fight Superman, who defeats them. The Justice Gang appears and helps in the fight, they are basically the Guardians of the Galaxy.
At one point, Luthor enters the Fortress of Solitude, uncorrupts Jor-El’s messages about Superman being sent to conquer the world, and broadcasts them worldwide. The messages turn humanity against Superman, making him an outcast.
Superman, shunned by the world, returns to his human family.
Lex Luthor has access to a pocket universe where he traps people he hates, including ex-girlfriends. He violently beats Krypto and takes him to this universe. Somehow Superman ends up trapped there too.
Lois and the Justice Gang discover Superman's location in the pocket universe through Jimmy, who had been secretly sexting Luthor’s girlfriend.
She’s obsessed with Superman, and her provocative photos unintentionally reveal confidential data.
Superman eventually escapes the pocket universe by flying through pixelated lava, which looks like Minecraft.
Superman saves some people and fights the foreign army, earning forgiveness from others.
The best action scene, "as good as" the hallway scene in the Guardians of the Galaxy 3, involves Mr Terrific
Superman learns about Luthor’s plans with the foreign nation. He informs the government, but Luthor counters by revealing he cloned Superman. A fight ensues between Superman and his clone, who shares his DNA and could access the Fortress of Solitude.
Superman defeats the clone, and Luthor is taken to jail.
Superman returns to the Fortress of Solitude, where a drunk sorority version of Supergirl appears to reclaim Krypto (her dog). She had asked Superman to watch him for the week.
Superman sits back, asks to “see his family again,” but instead of Jor-El, it’s his human family.
Mi opinión conforme lo he ido leyendo.
Por favor que sea fake por muy real que parezca porque suena todo muy James Gunn.
Patchanka escribió:"Superman eventually escapes the pocket universe by flying through pixelated lava, which looks like Minecraft."
Sí, se ve super creíble.
no te sale nada de Superman que fue ayer su presentación en la cinemaconPatchanka escribió:Puto algoritmo de tuiter, desde hace unos días ha empezado a ponerme en mi feed un montón de ZACKETES. Toca ir bloqueando a la gente...
Gromber escribió:no te sale nada de Superman que fue ayer su presentación en la cinemaconPatchanka escribió:Puto algoritmo de tuiter, desde hace unos días ha empezado a ponerme en mi feed un montón de ZACKETES. Toca ir bloqueando a la gente...
unilordx escribió:Lo que se esperaba, un momento potencialmente serio con humor GotG insertado. Lo del perro te lo compro mientras sea consistente toda la película que Krypto se comporte como el perro que es.
Lo de los robots no tanto porque la gracia debería ser que son autómatas con humor seco no intencionado, no soltarme el no tenemos conciencia para inmeditamente ponerse en plan fangirl. El diseño de la cabeza y en concreto el ojo tampoco me convence.
I know you had a rough experience with Suicide Squad. As someone who liked a lot of what was in that film, I always felt it was a collision between your sensibility and the demands of a comic book movie. That now feels like a fulcrum in your career, in terms of the shift from doing more personal work into straight action. Was that a turning point?
For sure. It’s the Hollywood chutes and ladders. You’re up and you’re down. I was coming off Fury and I could kind of do anything I wanted. And I wanted to make a comic book movie. I wanted to do what the cool kids were doing. I went in and I made what I felt was this really human war movie. My Suicide Squad was a war movie. I had just come off a war movie and I made another war movie. There was a lot of character evolution. The first act in my film was all the backstory of Rick Flag and June Moone and their relationship and how they met. And the Joker-Harley Quinn backstory was more in keeping with the comic books, where it was this toxic relationship she had to escape from. So much context and setup and storylines were removed. The studio got ambushed by Batman v. Superman, and the release of that wasn’t the outcome they expected.
The most frustrating element, the hardest thing for me to explain or to be believed, is how different in its DNA my cut is. Normally, director’s cuts are like, “Okay, we put back in the deleted scenes” or whatever. No, this is an entire re-conception. I didn’t have a single needle drop in the film. Steven Price, who did Fury, wrote this beautiful intricate score. My film was gothic and lyrical and dramatic. The people that have seen my cut, it’s all been the same reaction: They get mad. “This is what we wanted. Why didn’t we get to see this?” There are flaws in it, but I think I made a really good film. And I definitely got schooled on what these projects really are, as a socio-political engineering consensus machine. I’ve taken so much heat because of the way they broke it. That got thrown back on me. And it’s like, “Guys, time out. That’s the exact opposite of what I was trying to do, and what I did.”
That really did create kind of a dark night of the soul for me as an artist. I was like, “Okay, this business is real. This is a full-contact sport.” That’s when I really started to lean into the business, and it took a long time. But yeah, that’s a definite turning point. And I want to get back to large-scale storytelling. Now that I know how to do the action movie and have a more popular voice, I can bring whatever personal shit I’m working through into that space, be a little more respectful to the audience and make some big, amazing movies.
Gromber escribió:I know you had a rough experience with Suicide Squad. As someone who liked a lot of what was in that film, I always felt it was a collision between your sensibility and the demands of a comic book movie. That now feels like a fulcrum in your career, in terms of the shift from doing more personal work into straight action. Was that a turning point?
For sure. It’s the Hollywood chutes and ladders. You’re up and you’re down. I was coming off Fury and I could kind of do anything I wanted. And I wanted to make a comic book movie. I wanted to do what the cool kids were doing. I went in and I made what I felt was this really human war movie. My Suicide Squad was a war movie. I had just come off a war movie and I made another war movie. There was a lot of character evolution. The first act in my film was all the backstory of Rick Flag and June Moone and their relationship and how they met. And the Joker-Harley Quinn backstory was more in keeping with the comic books, where it was this toxic relationship she had to escape from. So much context and setup and storylines were removed. The studio got ambushed by Batman v. Superman, and the release of that wasn’t the outcome they expected.
The most frustrating element, the hardest thing for me to explain or to be believed, is how different in its DNA my cut is. Normally, director’s cuts are like, “Okay, we put back in the deleted scenes” or whatever. No, this is an entire re-conception. I didn’t have a single needle drop in the film. Steven Price, who did Fury, wrote this beautiful intricate score. My film was gothic and lyrical and dramatic. The people that have seen my cut, it’s all been the same reaction: They get mad. “This is what we wanted. Why didn’t we get to see this?” There are flaws in it, but I think I made a really good film. And I definitely got schooled on what these projects really are, as a socio-political engineering consensus machine. I’ve taken so much heat because of the way they broke it. That got thrown back on me. And it’s like, “Guys, time out. That’s the exact opposite of what I was trying to do, and what I did.”
That really did create kind of a dark night of the soul for me as an artist. I was like, “Okay, this business is real. This is a full-contact sport.” That’s when I really started to lean into the business, and it took a long time. But yeah, that’s a definite turning point. And I want to get back to large-scale storytelling. Now that I know how to do the action movie and have a more popular voice, I can bring whatever personal shit I’m working through into that space, be a little more respectful to the audience and make some big, amazing movies.
Gromber escribió:Lo del humor totalmente, sobretodo lo de los robots, es humor estupido que se contradice (y no le llaman kal-el), supongo que los robots a lo largo de la cinta se volverán cada vez más humanos, lo del perro lo remata aunque no me molesto tanto, quizás que se pasa un poco, solo le faltaba mearse encima y se supone que es un momento serio donde el prota esta herido (en el primer tráiler uno se esperaba otra cosa).
Pero también que pongan un foco de luz superpotente y grite de dolor cuando se cura, da la sensación que fuera un vampiro que se deshace como los de Blade
Viendo los últimos clips, fotos, promos (con eructos incluidos) etc, ya se podía intuir, estamos hablando de James Gunn que ya comento en el pasado que los superhéroes son tontos y es ridículo tomarlos en serio. Visualmente veo que cumple y puede estar bien.
Supongo que la pelicula estará entretenida y es bastante posible que vaya a verla, aunque el tono mostrado en este clip no es lo mío, espero que los que querían algo diferente a lo que proponía Snyder, apoyen esta pelicula en cines y tenga buena taquilla.
Una de las ultimas entrevistas.
Salu2
Al_undra escribió:En mi vida habia visto un director tan turras con una película que le interesa a nadie despues de un poco mas de nadie. Joder Ayer hizo muy buenas películas, tiene que seguir dando la brasa porque va mal de pasta o que?. Ademas no hablamos de una película que fuera un fracaso precisamente.
TheDarknight75 escribió:Me han dado ganas de parar el tráiler. Parece un meme o un gag humorístico,
“KRYPTO LLÉVAME A CASA!!!!”
(Todos imagino que pensábamos en Smallville)
El perro viene y lo arrastra 500 METROS!!!!!!hasta la Fortaleza de la Soledad, que podía haber aparecido junto a su cuerpo y los robots hacer ese trabajo.
No le llaman Kal El
Diálogos jijiji jajjajajaa
Los rayos le hacen daño…
…
OSTIAZO TOTAL E INFUMABLE
TheDarknight75 escribió:No le llaman Kal El
Patchanka escribió:Krypto me pareció encantador.
Y me ha gustado mucho el visual de los robots.
La robot fangirl ya no. Gunn se ha pasado ahí.
Y el visual de la Fortaleza... Aún tenía esperanzas de ver algo más clásico y menos película de los 70, pero parece que la sombra es larga y no veremos una llave gigante.TheDarknight75 escribió:No le llaman Kal El
A mí nunca me ha gustado, ni en los comics, que se dé tanta énfasis en la herencia kryptoniana de Superman. Que se identifique como Kal-El, que suelte expresiones como "Gran Krypton", "por Rao"...
Superman ha sido creado en la Tierra, y sus padres le han llamado Clark. Vale, una persona que ha sido adoptada quiere saber de donde vino, pero eso no significa que termine renegando de su actual cultura.
Superman es un disfraz, la persona real es Clark Kent.
TheDarknight75 escribió:Patchanka escribió:Krypto me pareció encantador.
Y me ha gustado mucho el visual de los robots.
La robot fangirl ya no. Gunn se ha pasado ahí.
Y el visual de la Fortaleza... Aún tenía esperanzas de ver algo más clásico y menos película de los 70, pero parece que la sombra es larga y no veremos una llave gigante.TheDarknight75 escribió:No le llaman Kal El
A mí nunca me ha gustado, ni en los comics, que se dé tanta énfasis en la herencia kryptoniana de Superman. Que se identifique como Kal-El, que suelte expresiones como "Gran Krypton", "por Rao"...
Superman ha sido creado en la Tierra, y sus padres le han llamado Clark. Vale, una persona que ha sido adoptada quiere saber de donde vino, pero eso no significa que termine renegando de su actual cultura.
Superman es un disfraz, la persona real es Clark Kent.
Vale. Para los robots de la Fortaleza de la soledad tus argumentos son válidos? Te recuerdo que son IA kriptoniana
TheDarknight75 escribió:Patchanka escribió:Krypto me pareció encantador.
Y me ha gustado mucho el visual de los robots.
La robot fangirl ya no. Gunn se ha pasado ahí.
Y el visual de la Fortaleza... Aún tenía esperanzas de ver algo más clásico y menos película de los 70, pero parece que la sombra es larga y no veremos una llave gigante.TheDarknight75 escribió:No le llaman Kal El
A mí nunca me ha gustado, ni en los comics, que se dé tanta énfasis en la herencia kryptoniana de Superman. Que se identifique como Kal-El, que suelte expresiones como "Gran Krypton", "por Rao"...
Superman ha sido creado en la Tierra, y sus padres le han llamado Clark. Vale, una persona que ha sido adoptada quiere saber de donde vino, pero eso no significa que termine renegando de su actual cultura.
Superman es un disfraz, la persona real es Clark Kent.
Vale. Para los robots de la Fortaleza de la soledad tus argumentos son válidos? Te recuerdo que son IA kriptoniana