Juegos Next Gen Multiplataforma (Xbox One/PS4) - Nuevas normas para el hilo en el primer post

eloskuro escribió:

takeda escribió:Pues al final era fake y se ha desmoronado como una neblina todo esto....

Lo que era fake era decir que la vegetación de xbo era old gen y la otra next gen xD Es parecida. Solo que la ps4 tiene mejor desempeño y lo han aprovechado. Pero no es como comparar una selva amazonica con un solar, como muchos pretendian hacer creer en GAF. Ni mucho menos. De hecho los de DF explican que al princpio les costó encontrar zonas donde el follaje no fuese igual. Buscando con un helicoptero encontraron varias. Pero ya veis que no hay diferencia dramatica por la que tirarse de los pelos xD

labor escribió:ambas versiones del gta V tienen los mismos efectos de lluvia, oleaje, particulas, luminacion y charcos? o eso tambien ha sido recortado en la ONE?

takeda escribió:

eloskuro escribió:

takeda escribió:Pues al final era fake y se ha desmoronado como una neblina todo esto....

Lo que era fake era decir que la vegetación de xbo era old gen y la otra next gen xD Es parecida. Solo que la ps4 tiene mejor desempeño y lo han aprovechado. Pero no es como comparar una selva amazonica con un solar, como muchos pretendian hacer creer en GAF. Ni mucho menos. De hecho los de DF explican que al princpio les costó encontrar zonas donde el follaje no fuese igual. Buscando con un helicoptero encontraron varias. Pero ya veis que no hay diferencia dramatica por la que tirarse de los pelos xD

Yo aqui no he leido nada de selvas amazonicas ni old gen, lo otro si lo he leido.

QuiNtaN escribió:

eR_XaVi escribió:Por ese hecho aun sabiendo que caerá en pc, lo he comprado para ps4.

En PC también tenías streaming para móviles.

takeda escribió:Pues al final era fake y se ha desmoronado como una neblina todo esto....

mocolostrocolos escribió:Hostia tú, vaya limpia.

xufeitor escribió:Un poco caro el GTA V, ya podrían haberlo puesto un poco más barato

oscar_fv escribió:Hay zonas en las que la diferencia es minima, y otras en las que literalmente en xbox one no hay vegetacion casi y en ps4 esta lleno. Las cosas hay que cantarlas como son.

eloskuro escribió:

oscar_fv escribió:Hay zonas en las que la diferencia es minima, y otras en las que literalmente en xbox one no hay vegetacion casi y en ps4 esta lleno. Las cosas hay que cantarlas como son.

Tienes razón. Pero la mayoria del tiempo la diferencia es inapreciable o no existe diferencia. Te tienes que ir a bsucar las diferencias con un helicoptero y comparar cartografia no me jodas xD

Al rey lo que es del rey. Hay más densidad de follaje en varias zonas del mapa en ps4 , pero de ahí a que sea una diferencia abismal en todo el juego hay un trecho.


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Y si. es caro el GTAV

Lo ponen a 29,95 y se forran a vender.

Natsu escribió:Te has piilado el GTAV por 10€ para ps4? donde!!!

Así me quito de encima el regalo del amigo invisible

oscar_fv escribió:

xufeitor escribió:Un poco caro el GTA V, ya podrían haberlo puesto un poco más barato

Bienvenido a España jaja

eloskuro escribió:Además el 2015 llegan juegazos de Sony(por fin).

eR_XaVi escribió:

QuiNtaN escribió:

eR_XaVi escribió:Por ese hecho aun sabiendo que caerá en pc, lo he comprado para ps4.

En PC también tenías streaming para móviles.

Si, pero no tengo nada que sea igual de cómodo, que llámame loco pero la única forma que tengo es tumbarme con el nexus 4 ponerlo en las piernas y con el mando jugar. Prefiero la vita para streaming.

xufeitor escribió:

eloskuro escribió:Además el 2015 llegan juegazos de Sony(por fin).

Así como quien no quiere la cosa... zasca!

tiku escribió:

xufeitor escribió:

eloskuro escribió:Además el 2015 llegan juegazos de Sony(por fin).

Así como quien no quiere la cosa... zasca!

Si xD

Deen0X escribió:
en eso estoy, que quiero publicar esta semana.
estoy ayudando a terminar los últimos retoques que necesita el programa que da soporte para el control de las consolas, por eso no he publicado nada.
el desarrollador está liado, pero me está dando tiempo para hacer esto, y sacarlo pronto.

de momento te dejo mis últimos vídeos:



no he puesto de PS4 o de XOne, basicamente por que no tengo las consolas, pero entiendo que la solución también debería funcionar con ellas.

sobre streaming en vita, si, es una pasada. yo lo uso/usaba de esa manera (con custom firmware y modificando los juegos para que permitan hacer streaming), pero si te digo la verdad, entre jugar con la PSVita (que es espectacular como máquina, eso no se discute) y jugar con una cutre consola android, pero con 7" y con el set completo de controles (l2, r2, l3, r3)... pues como que ultimamente me decanto mas por esta opción. ^_^

y otra cosa, también se puede jugar en una consola o tablet android, con el método de emular un dispositivo Z3 en ella. hay algunas guías por ahí, y al parecer no es complicado lograr hacer streaming nativo desde PS4 en un dispositivo android.

vamos, que alternativas hay muchas. eso sí, Sony en general presenta mas posibilidades (remote play basicamente) para lograr jugar en streaming. Microsoft de momento no tiene mucho ganado aquí, y con lo que voy a publicar se abre una puerta para hacerlo, pero deberían dar un paso mas para ofrecer este tipo de servicio al usuario (y no cobrar por jugar tus juegos en la magnánima "nube"... evidentemente)

eloskuro escribió:http://www.3djuegos.com/noticia/148431/0/fifa-15/share-play-ps4/error/
Share play si funciona con fifa 15

eloskuro escribió:Me parece surrealista que no hayan pensado en eso.

eloskuro escribió:Qué opinais de la Realidad virtual en juegos multi?

No sería más facil que tanto las consolas, como los pc remasen en la misma dirección? Que adopten ya sea el oculus o lo que sea, pero que no tengamos que comprar un cacharro para cada dispositivo. Me parece surrealista que no hayan pensado en eso.

http://www.elotrolado.net/noticia_los-videojuegos-todavia-no-estan-listos-para-la-realidad-virtual-segun-el-ceo-de-take-two_25411

QuiNtaN escribió:

eloskuro escribió:Me parece surrealista que no hayan pensado en eso.

Si es lo que viene pasando con los accesorios desde el principio de los tiempos.

kpik0 escribió:
Esto mismo -> http://lifehacker.com/how-to-mount-your ... 1154690662

Y también tienes encajes hechos.

UPDATE 20/11/14 4:03pm: The final analysis is in. We've put together a wealth of GTA 5 clips culled from capture sessions spanning over 20 different missions, concentrating on areas where the title's 30fps target frame-rate faces its toughest challenges. In comparing PS4 and Xbox One, the end result is fascinating; it shows that while there are some scenarios that prove equally challenging for both consoles, specific areas can see one platform out-performing the other. On a native 1080p title like this, we might reasonably expect PlayStation 4's more powerful GPU to demonstrate an unassailable advantage across the game, but the reality is a little more complicated.

Travelling at speed through city junctions - such as Strawberry Avenue - turns out to be a particular Achilles Heel on PS4, with sustained drops to around the 24-26fps range at their worst. It's a situation that also applies to Xbox One, but to a consistently lesser degree when testing under the precise same conditions (and borne out in repeated tests). Put simply, in areas where junctions are stacked up one after the other, the Sony platform suffers more prolonged frame-rate drops when burning through traffic with your foot jammed to the floor. It's an interesting, recurring scenario that points to a CPU bottleneck, where Xbox One's increased clock-speed has an advantage when racing around these busy sections.

Another potential cause could be hard drive access, of course. GTA 5 is very intensive in terms of background streaming, a state of affairs that made the digital download versions of the last-gen version less desirable than the physical releases (where streaming bandwidth was shared between disc and drive). To lessen the impact of any streaming bottleneck, we installed the PS4 version onto an SSD for a re-test - the results showed no improvement.

However, while Xbox One enjoys an advantage during high-speed races in packed junction areas, it's clear the platform faces its own particular challenges. It drops a few frames during downtown driving outside of the problem junction areas, whereas PS4 remains solid. On top of that, we've already seen that Rockstar has made some visual cutbacks to its complex outdoor rendering, presumably to accommodate Xbox One's less capable graphics hardware, but in certain areas where cuts haven't been made, performance can dip.

Complex effects work, usually involving transparency effects (explosions etc) can also cause visible, sustained hitches in performance. Explosive missions with Trevor in Los Santos' outskirts show the biggest pitfall on Xbox One - with 24fps held at length during one shoot-out. Meanwhile, the PS4 has no issue with these segments, sparing one or two dropped frames just as alpha effects appear on-screen.

It's an interesting result overall, leaving us with different performance profiles on each platform. It's an unmistakable advantage for Sony's platform when it comes to shoot-outs, but on the other hand, the Xbox One typically avoids the heavy mid-20s frame-rates that can kick in during high-speed chases.

eloskuro escribió:Frame rate test comparado de XBO y PS4

UPDATE 20/11/14 4:03pm: The final analysis is in. We've put together a wealth of GTA 5 clips culled from capture sessions spanning over 20 different missions, concentrating on areas where the title's 30fps target frame-rate faces its toughest challenges. In comparing PS4 and Xbox One, the end result is fascinating; it shows that while there are some scenarios that prove equally challenging for both consoles, specific areas can see one platform out-performing the other. On a native 1080p title like this, we might reasonably expect PlayStation 4's more powerful GPU to demonstrate an unassailable advantage across the game, but the reality is a little more complicated.

Travelling at speed through city junctions - such as Strawberry Avenue - turns out to be a particular Achilles Heel on PS4, with sustained drops to around the 24-26fps range at their worst. It's a situation that also applies to Xbox One, but to a consistently lesser degree when testing under the precise same conditions (and borne out in repeated tests). Put simply, in areas where junctions are stacked up one after the other, the Sony platform suffers more prolonged frame-rate drops when burning through traffic with your foot jammed to the floor. It's an interesting, recurring scenario that points to a CPU bottleneck, where Xbox One's increased clock-speed has an advantage when racing around these busy sections.

Another potential cause could be hard drive access, of course. GTA 5 is very intensive in terms of background streaming, a state of affairs that made the digital download versions of the last-gen version less desirable than the physical releases (where streaming bandwidth was shared between disc and drive). To lessen the impact of any streaming bottleneck, we installed the PS4 version onto an SSD for a re-test - the results showed no improvement.

However, while Xbox One enjoys an advantage during high-speed races in packed junction areas, it's clear the platform faces its own particular challenges. It drops a few frames during downtown driving outside of the problem junction areas, whereas PS4 remains solid. On top of that, we've already seen that Rockstar has made some visual cutbacks to its complex outdoor rendering, presumably to accommodate Xbox One's less capable graphics hardware, but in certain areas where cuts haven't been made, performance can dip.

Complex effects work, usually involving transparency effects (explosions etc) can also cause visible, sustained hitches in performance. Explosive missions with Trevor in Los Santos' outskirts show the biggest pitfall on Xbox One - with 24fps held at length during one shoot-out. Meanwhile, the PS4 has no issue with these segments, sparing one or two dropped frames just as alpha effects appear on-screen.

It's an interesting result overall, leaving us with different performance profiles on each platform. It's an unmistakable advantage for Sony's platform when it comes to shoot-outs, but on the other hand, the Xbox One typically avoids the heavy mid-20s frame-rates that can kick in during high-speed chases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z6ONWZ7etA

labor escribió:alguien que traduzca por favor??

On top of that, we've already seen that Rockstar has made some visual cutbacks to its complex outdoor rendering, presumably to accommodate Xbox One's less capable graphics hardware, but in certain areas where cuts haven't been made, performance can dip.

Put simply, in areas where junctions are stacked up one after the other, the Sony platform suffers more prolonged frame-rate drops when burning through traffic with your foot jammed to the floor. It's an interesting, recurring scenario that points to a CPU bottleneck, where Xbox One's increased clock-speed has an advantage when racing around these busy sections.

labor escribió:

eloskuro escribió:Frame rate test comparado de XBO y PS4

UPDATE 20/11/14 4:03pm: The final analysis is in. We've put together a wealth of GTA 5 clips culled from capture sessions spanning over 20 different missions, concentrating on areas where the title's 30fps target frame-rate faces its toughest challenges. In comparing PS4 and Xbox One, the end result is fascinating; it shows that while there are some scenarios that prove equally challenging for both consoles, specific areas can see one platform out-performing the other. On a native 1080p title like this, we might reasonably expect PlayStation 4's more powerful GPU to demonstrate an unassailable advantage across the game, but the reality is a little more complicated.

Travelling at speed through city junctions - such as Strawberry Avenue - turns out to be a particular Achilles Heel on PS4, with sustained drops to around the 24-26fps range at their worst. It's a situation that also applies to Xbox One, but to a consistently lesser degree when testing under the precise same conditions (and borne out in repeated tests). Put simply, in areas where junctions are stacked up one after the other, the Sony platform suffers more prolonged frame-rate drops when burning through traffic with your foot jammed to the floor. It's an interesting, recurring scenario that points to a CPU bottleneck, where Xbox One's increased clock-speed has an advantage when racing around these busy sections.

Another potential cause could be hard drive access, of course. GTA 5 is very intensive in terms of background streaming, a state of affairs that made the digital download versions of the last-gen version less desirable than the physical releases (where streaming bandwidth was shared between disc and drive). To lessen the impact of any streaming bottleneck, we installed the PS4 version onto an SSD for a re-test - the results showed no improvement.

However, while Xbox One enjoys an advantage during high-speed races in packed junction areas, it's clear the platform faces its own particular challenges. It drops a few frames during downtown driving outside of the problem junction areas, whereas PS4 remains solid. On top of that, we've already seen that Rockstar has made some visual cutbacks to its complex outdoor rendering, presumably to accommodate Xbox One's less capable graphics hardware, but in certain areas where cuts haven't been made, performance can dip.

Complex effects work, usually involving transparency effects (explosions etc) can also cause visible, sustained hitches in performance. Explosive missions with Trevor in Los Santos' outskirts show the biggest pitfall on Xbox One - with 24fps held at length during one shoot-out. Meanwhile, the PS4 has no issue with these segments, sparing one or two dropped frames just as alpha effects appear on-screen.

It's an interesting result overall, leaving us with different performance profiles on each platform. It's an unmistakable advantage for Sony's platform when it comes to shoot-outs, but on the other hand, the Xbox One typically avoids the heavy mid-20s frame-rates that can kick in during high-speed chases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z6ONWZ7etA

alguien que traduzca por favor??

J_Ark escribió:Madre mía asumir que el bajón en ciudad es por culpa de la CPU de la PS4 (un SO pesadisimo y un OC ridículo hacen la magia). Leadbetter ataca de nuevo, Eurogamer xD

A ver si sacan parche.

eloskuro escribió:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z6ONWZ7etA#t=132

Minuto 1:50. Tiroteo en el que baja hasta 25 frames en XBO. ¿No os parece que han escogido un momento en el que hay luz directa en XBO, con reflejos y todo, y que han escogido un momento en la version de PS4 donde no hay reflejos de luz ni nada? Curioso.

pers46 escribió:

eloskuro escribió:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z6ONWZ7etA#t=132

Minuto 1:50. Tiroteo en el que baja hasta 25 frames en XBO. ¿No os parece que han escogido un momento en el que hay luz directa en XBO, con reflejos y todo, y que han escogido un momento en la version de PS4 donde no hay reflejos de luz ni nada? Curioso.

Si, es una conspiración...