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dani206cc escribió:Pues yo nola veo tan buena...... El problema que le veo es adelantar a mas de la mitad de la parrila en tales condidiones. Ademas, creo que webber llevava una estrategia similar a alonso, y vettel tampoco tenia mucha gasolina mas... o no ¿?
kyubi-chan escribió:Ya hay declaraciones del propio Briatore en las que dice que no fue una buena decisión. Y estoy de acuerdo con él.
Sabio escribió:kyubi-chan escribió:Ya hay declaraciones del propio Briatore en las que dice que no fue una buena decisión. Y estoy de acuerdo con él.
Es que la decisión buena hubiese sido meterle antes, en la vuelta 4 ó 5, como hicieron Sutil y Rosberg. Pero no esperar 3 vueltas más, porque ahí apenas hubieses sacado ventaja como para contrarrestar todo lo que iba a perder al pasar por boxes.
Aracem escribió:Estáis confundidos. Lo mejor era quedarse en pista. Si por casualidad el SC está 20 vueltas pues mala suerte. Pero esto era lo menos improbable.
En cambio, con dar 3 vueltas sin SC (si no son bastantes más, que vettel solo llevaba 7 kg más y estuvo muchas vueltas en pista hasta entrar a repostar ) ya consigues sacar al 15º piloto más de 30 segundos, entras a repostar y sales en la posición 14, con menos gasolina (3 o 4 vueltas menos) y con 6 coches adelantados.
Salir 14 o así con un pelín menos de gasolina a salir último con un poco más de gasolina... donde está la ventaja??
Aracem escribió:Estáis confundidos. Lo mejor era quedarse en pista. Si por casualidad el SC está 20 vueltas pues mala suerte. Pero esto era lo menos improbable.
En cambio, con dar 3 vueltas sin SC (si no son bastantes más, que vettel solo llevaba 7 kg más y estuvo muchas vueltas en pista hasta entrar a repostar ) ya consigues sacar al 15º piloto más de 30 segundos, entras a repostar y sales en la posición 14, con menos gasolina (3 o 4 vueltas menos) y con 6 coches adelantados.
Salir 14 o así con un pelín menos de gasolina a salir último con un poco más de gasolina... donde está la ventaja??
Aracem escribió:Estáis confundidos. Lo mejor era quedarse en pista. Si por casualidad el SC está 20 vueltas pues mala suerte. Pero esto era lo menos improbable.
En cambio, con dar 3 vueltas sin SC (si no son bastantes más, que vettel solo llevaba 7 kg más y estuvo muchas vueltas en pista hasta entrar a repostar ) ya consigues sacar al 15º piloto más de 30 segundos, entras a repostar y sales en la posición 14, con menos gasolina (3 o 4 vueltas menos) y con 6 coches adelantados.
Salir 14 o así con un pelín menos de gasolina a salir último con un poco más de gasolina... donde está la ventaja??
Sabio escribió:De todas formas, la ventaja en hacerlo con SC y sin SC es que con el SC pierdes menos tiempo respecto a los coches de delante que sin él, aunque salgas en la posición 14 estarías más lejos de los pilotos de delante porque ellos han pasado la recta de meta más rápido.
elmenda escribió:ya, pero, para que quieres estar mas "cerca" (en cuanto a tiempo se refiere) de los de alante, si ahora tienes 19 coches delante, y muchos de ellos muuuuuucho mas lentos que los de arriba y que en cuestión de 2 o 3 vueltas te van hacer estar mucho mas lejos que la distancia esa que comentas que habría si sale el 14 tras repostar en su vuelta correspondiente y no con el SC.
elmenda escribió:ya hombre, pero iva a perder tiempo para con los de delante si o si, mejor empezar a adelantar en el puesto 14ª que en el 19º no??
Pero bueno, lo hecho, hecho esta, gracias a dios ya mismo tenemos mas f1 y podemos ver si las mejoras son reales o no!! jijij
dani206cc escribió:Briatore, sobre Piquet: "Era como un concurso, a más trompos, más puntos"
este se ha quedao agusto.....
Y después, el trompo. Si todo hubiera salido perfecto, habría podido ser quinto, tras los Red Bull y los Brawn, pero nuestro coche es mejor que eso. Quiero verlo en condiciones meteorológicas normales porque es mucho más competitivo. Fernando fue segundo el sábado (en la calificación) con la misma carga de fuel que Button
Sabio escribió:elmenda escribió:ya hombre, pero iva a perder tiempo para con los de delante si o si, mejor empezar a adelantar en el puesto 14ª que en el 19º no??
Pero bueno, lo hecho, hecho esta, gracias a dios ya mismo tenemos mas f1 y podemos ver si las mejoras son reales o no!! jijij
Hombre, siempre es más factible adelantar coches con los que hay más diferencia de prestaciones que ir detrás de un coche que va cargado y al que no puedes adelantar porque las prestaciones son menores.
A ver, tampoco estoy diciendo que lo que hizo Renault fuera una buena estrategia, la decisión me parece correcta porque la estrategia de Alonso era mala para la condiciones de carrera, pero lo ideal hubiese sido hacerlo antes, como hicieron Rosberg y Sutil, no justo cuando el SC se va (pero eso ya es simplemente mala suerte).
Ho!
Aracem escribió:Qye no hombre que no sabio. Piensa lo que dices que no tiene ninguna lógica. Estás diciendo que mejor salir atrás porque pierdes menos tiempo con los de alante que salir el 14?? no tiene lógica.
Sólo se tenía que meter a boxes si no tiene gasolina ni para encender un mechero. Si tenía para 11 vueltas en condiciones normales, imagino que en condiciones de SC por lo menos para 15 tenía. Y le meten en la 6?? Para qué?? Por si alguien se mete a boxes salir delante suya?? En vez de 20, el 18?? para qué? No tiene lógica y siento repetirme. Es que aunque hubiera estado el SC 3 vueltas más, seguiría último. con 19 coches por delante que adelantar, que cada uno de ellos te va a parar por muy rápido que vayas. No será mejor jugártela a salir el 14? el 15 o incluso el 19 que ya es un coche menos.
Aracem escribió:Y por mucho que digas, en una vuelta al coche 15 le sacas 25 segundos simplemente por el hecho de haber 15 coches entre medias. Con una media de 1.5 segundos por coche ya son unos 22 - 25 segundos. Y esto es en la primera curva casi ya pasa en el 99% de los GP.
Sabio escribió:Por cierto, una puntualización, entre el coche 2 y el coche 15, hay 13 entre medias.
Ho!
Sabio escribió:En el momento en el que la carrera era con lluvia, y que el SC le impedía aprovechar las pocas vueltas que pudiera dar descargado como iba, tenía todo perdido, la oportunidad era entrar en boxes, cargar gasolina e ir a una vuelta como los de detrás (mira como a Sutil le funcionó hasta que tuvo el accidente, y a Rosberg quizás le hubiese funcionado también si no fuese por el error de poner intermedios), si hubiese hecho lo que tú dices después de la primera parada hubiese tenido que lidiar prácticamente lo mismo con una estrategia desfavorable.
No estoy diciendo que sea mejor salir último (aunque hay casos donde los pilotos prefieren salir desde el pit sólo para cambiar la estrategia y no les ha ido mal, como el mismo Glock, por ejemplo), estoy diciendo que en esas circunstancias (lluvia y rodando lento por culpa del SC) su estrategia era mala y había que cambiarla, pero tardaron demasiado. Si no hubiesen tardado tanto Alonso hubiese salido seguramente por delante de Rosberg (que creo recordar que este no salió último), pero tuvieron mala suerte con que justo en esa vuelta se iba el SC y le cerraron el semáforo.
Sabio escribió:25 segundos ya es más probable que los 30 de antes, pero muy justo teniendo en cuenta lo largo que es el pit-lane de China (tardas unos 21 segundos en pasar sin parar).
Por cierto, una puntualización, entre el coche 2 y el coche 15, hay 13 entre medias.
Ho!
paliyoes escribió:Su estrategia era mala, pero entrar a repostar si el SC se iba a ir era la peor elección posible, en caso de seguir en pista no hubiera sido mala, pero tanto la estrategia de Sutil, Rosberg y Alonso fué malísima, con sólo dar dos vueltas en cabeza (que en lluvia pueden rodar más rápido incluso por tener mejor visibilidad) al voler a salir de su pit-stop hubiera salido muchísimo más delante de lo que salió.
paliyoes escribió:Aún así en el peor de los casos hubiera salido útlimo igualmente, lo mejor hubiera sido mantenerse en pista, y más teniendo en cuenta que tenía previsto parar en la vuelta 9, si a eso le sumas el SC probablemente hubiera parado en la 13 o 14 por ahorro de combustible.
Aracem escribió:Bueno paremos el diálogo de besugos porque ni me vas a convencer ni te voy a convencer y es tontería. Mejor empecemos a pensar en qué piloto sustituirá a Piquet como lo vuelva a hacer medio mal en Bahrein.
KorteX escribió:Viendo asi la foto comparto la opinión de Trulli "Es un carro de combateee!!"
Que tochaco sigo viendo al morro, demasiado, pero bueno la cosa es que corra y sea competitivo.
Sabio escribió:Vuelvo a repetir, lo ideal hubiese sido meterle antes. Pero la decisión era la correcta, ya que cuando entró aún no se sabía que el SC se iba a ir en esa vuelta.
Y en cuanto a lo de que la estrategia de Sutil y Rosberg era mala no estoy de acuerdo, prueba de ello es que Sutil se accidentó cuando iba 6º a falta de 6 vueltas, y que Rosberg no iba mal colocado cuando la pifió al poner neumáticos intermedios.
Sabio escribió:Si Vettel con 7 kgs más entró en la 15, mientras que con un consumo y un peso similar en Malasia entró en la 13 (2 vueltas de diferencia), dudo mucho que Alonso pudiera hacer 4 o 5 vueltas más de las 9 que tenía previstas pese al SC.
URTYK escribió:Newey ha diseñado un coche con el morro alto como se hacian antes cuando la aerodinamica no era tan importante, en el mundo de la F1 es un ingenerio muy respetado.
Symonds consiguió un Renault perfecto de chasis y de motor (en muchas carreras el speed trap fué para alonso) pero ultimamente a pesar de que Renault vuelve a tener un motor fiable y con una velocidad punta muy buena se le resiste el chasis.
Viendo los tiempos vuelta a vuelta si Alonso hubiese aguantado hasta la vuelta 12 hubiera entrado en pista en el puesto entre el 10 y el 12 y si hubiera aguantado 1 mas entre el 7 y el 9
Y por la gasolina que llevaba parece que en seco entraria en al vuelta 12 y supongo que con SC puedes ahorrar 1 o 2 vueltas.....
paliyoes escribió:URTYK escribió:Newey ha diseñado un coche con el morro alto como se hacian antes cuando la aerodinamica no era tan importante, en el mundo de la F1 es un ingenerio muy respetado.
Symonds consiguió un Renault perfecto de chasis y de motor (en muchas carreras el speed trap fué para alonso) pero ultimamente a pesar de que Renault vuelve a tener un motor fiable y con una velocidad punta muy buena se le resiste el chasis.
Viendo los tiempos vuelta a vuelta si Alonso hubiese aguantado hasta la vuelta 12 hubiera entrado en pista en el puesto entre el 10 y el 12 y si hubiera aguantado 1 mas entre el 7 y el 9
Y por la gasolina que llevaba parece que en seco entraria en al vuelta 12 y supongo que con SC puedes ahorrar 1 o 2 vueltas.....
Además del SC añade que una carrera en lluvia consume también menos que en seco. Y cuidado que has calculado mal resta 2 vueltas de combustible al peso de gasolina del coche (una en la vuelta para llegar a la parrilla y otra de la de formación detrás del safety) con eso tienes que la ventana de paradas de Alonso estaba entre la 9 y la 10 y la de Vettel entre la 12 y la 13.
Rojos saludos.
URTYK escribió:Supongo que la vuelta para llegar a parrilla la hizo despacio ya no solo para ahorrar combustible si no para ver como estaba la pista. De todas formas la estrategia era equivocada y lo que no puedo entender es porque Alonso no se implica mas en las estrategias en los momentos dificiles.
paliyoes escribió:¿Lo ideal tal y como se desarrolló la carrera con el SC? No, no lo hubiera sido, haciéndolo a ciegas pensando que el SC no se iba a ir en bastantes vueltas no hubiera sido tan mala, eso no te lo voy a negar, aún así Sutil se encontró con ese 6º puesto por incidentes de carrera de los arriba, sino jamás hubiera alcanzado los puntos al igual que Rosberg, la estrategia fue realmente pésima la mires por dónde la mires.
paliyoes escribió:Vettel entró tan tarde debido a la gasolina que ahorró en el SC, Vettel tenía proyectado parar en la 12 y paró en la 15, teniendo en cuenta que para colmo usan mismo motor, está claro que Alonso podría haber estirado su parada hasta la 11 o 12, es decir que tenía unas 5 o 6 vueltas para abrir brecha.
Sabio escribió:Tanto Sutil como Rosberg seguramente iban a una estrategia de dos paradas, con un primer stin rápido y dos más cargados, lo que les ponía en desventaja respecto a los que iban a una parada y los que iban a dos paradas con un primer stin más cargados que ellos (ya que con el SC no estás sacando ninguna ventaja de la diferencia favorable de peso que tienes), entrando en boxes podían cambiar a una estrategia más adecuada y ponerse en igualdad de condiciones. Lo pésimo hubiese sido seguir con una estrategia que no te da ninguna ventaja cuando se supone que debería dártela (en el primer stin), y que una vez pasado por boxes te deja en desventaja para el resto de la carrera.
Sabio escribió:Con todo esto, me pregunto si Brawn GP hubiese podido aspirar a más si el segundo SC no les hubiese obligado a adelantar su primera parada.
paliyoes escribió:A ver, el problema es que cuando a Alonso le mandaron entrar no sabían aún cuando se iba a ir el SC, se anunció que se iba en la vuelta 7, cuando él ya había entrado. Y es fácil decir que esperaran más, pero es que tal y como yo lo veo ya habían esperado demasiado, tenían que haber sido más rápidos.
Por cierto, teniendo en cuenta lo similar que es Malasia con China en cuanto a consumo y kilómetros, yo diría que Vettel pararía en la 13, igual que hizo allí con carga similar.
Ho!
paliyoes escribió:A Rosberg tampoco le beneficiaba en exceso el entrar en boxes a repostar al haber quedado 7º, al único que le beneficaba realmente era a Sutil por salir penúltimo, la opción de Rosberg era correcta en caso de haber seguido el SC en pista durante mucho tiempo en caso contrario (como sucedió) lo único que hizo fue retrasarlo más en parrilla, la verdad es que no sé como no puedes ver este hecho, ya en el caso de Alonso fue aún mucho peor al perder 18 posiciones.
URTYK escribió:paliyoes escribió:URTYK escribió:Newey ha diseñado un coche con el morro alto como se hacian antes cuando la aerodinamica no era tan importante, en el mundo de la F1 es un ingenerio muy respetado.
Symonds consiguió un Renault perfecto de chasis y de motor (en muchas carreras el speed trap fué para alonso) pero ultimamente a pesar de que Renault vuelve a tener un motor fiable y con una velocidad punta muy buena se le resiste el chasis.
Viendo los tiempos vuelta a vuelta si Alonso hubiese aguantado hasta la vuelta 12 hubiera entrado en pista en el puesto entre el 10 y el 12 y si hubiera aguantado 1 mas entre el 7 y el 9
Y por la gasolina que llevaba parece que en seco entraria en al vuelta 12 y supongo que con SC puedes ahorrar 1 o 2 vueltas.....
Además del SC añade que una carrera en lluvia consume también menos que en seco. Y cuidado que has calculado mal resta 2 vueltas de combustible al peso de gasolina del coche (una en la vuelta para llegar a la parrilla y otra de la de formación detrás del safety) con eso tienes que la ventana de paradas de Alonso estaba entre la 9 y la 10 y la de Vettel entre la 12 y la 13.
Rojos saludos.
Supongo que la vuelta para llegar a parrilla la hizo despacio ya no solo para ahorrar combustible si no para ver como estaba la pista. De todas formas la estrategia era equivocada y lo que no puedo entender es porque Alonso no se implica mas en las estrategias en los momentos dificiles.
The parties presented oral arguments at the hearing, and answered questions put to them by the parties and by the Court. The hearing took place in accordance with the applicable rules, with the aid of simultaneous translation; no objection to any element of the simultaneous translation was raised. During the discussions, the adversarial principle was respected.
PROCEDURE AND FORMS OF ORDER SOUGHT BY THE PARTIES
1. ÖAMTC lodged appeals on behalf of its competitor Red Bull against Decisions No. 16, No. 17, and No. 18, respectively, taken by the Panel of Stewards on 26 March 2009 at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia with the Court's Secretariat on 27 March 2009. These appeals were respectively assigned case numbers ICA 5 through 7/2009.
2. FFSA lodged appeals on behalf of its competitor Renault against Decisions No. 19, No. 20, and No. 21, respectively, taken by the Panel of Stewards on 26 March 2009 at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia with the Court's Secretariat on 27 March 2009. These appeals were respectively assigned case numbers ICA 8 through 10/2009.
3. CSAI lodged appeals on behalf of its competitor Ferrari against Decisions No. 22, No. 23, and No. 24, respectively, taken by the Panel of Stewards on 26 March 2009 at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia with the Court's Secretariat on 27 March 2009. These appeals were respectively assigned case numbers ICA 11 through 13/2009.
4. In this judgment, the Stewards' Decisions are referred to by their number. Where no numbering is indicated, the "Contested Decisions" collectively refers to the Stewards' Decisions numbered 16 through 24 inclusive. The parties submitting the appeals above are referred to as the "Appellants". The nine appeals that they have submitted are referred to collectively as the "Appeals".
5. Red Bull claims that the Court should:
- admit its Appeals;
- overturn Contested Decisions No. 16, 17, and 18;
- disqualify the cars entered by Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota for the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and for any other race in which they may have participated using a Contested Design Concept device.
6. Renault claims that the Court should:
- admit its Appeals;
- overturn Contested Decisions No. 19, 20, and 21;
- find that the cars of the teams Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota did not comply with Article 3 of the 2009 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations;
- find that Williams, Brawn GP, and Toyota did not comply with Article 2.4 of the 2009 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations;
- disqualify the cars of Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota from the Grand Prix of Australia and remove the points awarded to these teams and their drivers;
- in the event these teams have competed in the Grand Prix of Malaysia using the contested diffusers, disqualify the cars of Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota from the Grand Prix of Malaysia and deduct points awarded to these teams and their drivers.
7. Ferrari claims that the Court should:
- admit its Appeals;
- overturn Contested Decisions No. 22, 23 and 24;
- disqualify the cars entered by Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota for the 2009
Grand Prix of Australia and for any other race in which they may have participated using a contested diffuser device;
- remove the points awarded to Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota and their drivers.
8. The FIA, in its defence, claims that the Court should:
- dismiss all of the arguments of all of the Appellants as unfounded;
- confirm the Contested Decisions.
APPLICATIONS BY AFFECTED PARTIES TO BE HEARD
9. The Court received applications to be heard in the present cases from McLaren and BMW, in support of the Appellants, and applications to be heard from Williams, Brawn GP, and Toyota, in support of the FIA.
Findings of the Court
10. Under Article 21 of the ICA Rules of Procedure, the Court may hear any competitor in a major FIA Championship who so requests and who could be directly and significantly affected by the decision to be taken. The 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship is a major Championship.
11. The Court is of the opinion that its decision is likely to have direct and significant effects upon McLaren, BMW, Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota and therefore granted these teams the right to be heard. 12. McLaren and BMW accordingly submitted memoranda in support of the submissions of Renault, Red Bull and Ferrari.
13. Williams, Brawn GP and Toyota accordingly submitted memoranda in support of the FIA's submissions. These three teams are hereafter referred to as the "Contested Design Teams".
ADMISSIBILITY AND JURISDICTION
14. The Court recognises that the Appeals were filed in a timely manner, that the Appeals are admissible and that the Court has jurisdiction in the matter.
REMINDER OF THE FACTS
15. The Appeals concern diffusers, being devices that manage the air flow underneath the car so as to lower the air pressure under the car, thereby maximizing downforce and hence performance.
16. The diffusers used by the Contested Design Teams may differ somewhat in design, but are all based on a similar concept that is contested in the current Appeals (the "Contested Design Concept").
17. Ferrari, Renault and Red Bull, believing the Contested Design Concept to be illegal, lodged protests with the Stewards at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia, asking the Stewards to declare that the cars of the Contested Design Teams were ineligible to participate. The Stewards, having examined the cars and the deployment of the Contested Design Concept in some detail, declared the cars of the Contested Design Teams compliant and rejected the protests of Ferrari, Renault and Red Bull. The present Appeals were thereafter submitted.
18. The regulations relevant to this case are the 2009 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations ("TR"), and in particular:
2.4 Compliance with the regulations
Automobiles must comply with these regulations in their entirety at all times during an Event. Should a competitor introduce a new design or system or feel that any aspect of these regulations is unclear, clarification may be sought from the FIA Formula One Technical Department. If clarification relates to any new design or system, correspondence must include:
- a full description of the design or system;
- drawings or schematics where appropriate;
- the competitor's opinion concerning the immediate implications on other parts of the car of any proposed new design;
- the competitor's opinion concerning any possible long term consequences or new developments which may come from using any such new designs or systems;
- the precise way or ways in which the competitor feels the new design or system will enhance the performance of the car.
2.7 Duty of Competitor
It is the duty of each competitor to satisfy the FIA technical delegate and the stewards of the meeting that his automobile complies with these regulations in their entirety at all times during an Event.
3 Bodywork and dimensions
One of the purposes of the regulations under Article 3 is to minimize the detrimental effect that the wake of a car may have on a following car.
Furthermore, infinite precision can be assumed on certain dimensions provided it is clear that such an assumption is not being made in order to circumvent or subvert the intention of the relevant regulation.
[...]
3.12 Bodywork facing the ground
3.12.1: All sprung parts of the car situated from 330mm behind the front wheel centre line to the rear wheel centre line which are visible from underneath, must form surfaces which lie on one of two parallel planes, the reference plane or the step plane. […]
3.12.3: The surface lying on the reference plane must be joined around its periphery to the surfaces lying on the step plane by a vertical transition. If there is no surface visible on the step plane vertically above any point around the periphery of the reference plane, this transition is not necessary.
[…]
3.12.5: All parts lying on the reference and step planes, in addition to the transition between the two planes, must produce uniform, solid, hard, continuous, rigid (no degree of freedom in relation to the body/chassis unit), impervious surfaces under all circumstances.
Fully enclosed holes are permitted in the surfaces lying on the reference and step planes provided no part of the car is visible through them when viewed from directly below. […]
[…]
3.12.7: No bodywork which is visible from beneath the car and which lies between the rear wheel centre line and a point 350mm rearward of it may be more than 175mm above the reference plane. […]
ON THE SUBSTANCE
19. The Court has considered the submissions and arguments of all parties, which it has grouped in a series of consolidated pleas.
20. In advance of the hearing, the Court indicated to the parties that it intended, to the extent possible, to resolve this case based on the principles underlying the Contested Design Concept to preserve the confidentiality of each team's particular design. For this reason, parties were invited to make submissions to the Court which addressed the Contested Design Concept but did not include confidential technical information. The Court indicated to the parties that, having heard submissions regarding the Contested Design Concept, it would, only if necessary, examine confidential information. During the hearing, no party argued that the Court would be able to resolve this case only by examining confidential information. Having considered the written and oral submissions, the Court has concluded that it is in a position to issue its ruling on the validity of the Contested Decisions based solely on the principles underlying the Contested Design Concept.
First Plea - The Contested Decisions are Insufficiently Motivated
a) Arguments of the parties
21. Ferrari contests the validity of the Contested Decisions on the grounds that they violate paragraph 6.10 of the Formula One Guidelines for Stewards, which, according to Ferrari, states that "decisions may be brief but must clearly state the reasons for the decision". Ferrari and Renault note that the Stewards failed to provide any reasons for their decisions or even to identify the relevant articles of the TR with which they had decided that the cars complied. 22. Brawn GP and Toyota submit that it is obvious from the context what the reasons for the Contested Decisions were and that those reasons were clear to the Appellants. Given the confidential nature of the material on which the Contested Decisions were based, the Stewards were correct to give their reasoning in broad terms only.
b) Findings of the Court
23. The Court notes that the "Guidelines for Stewards" were not submitted to it by any party and that this document does not form part of the regulations governing the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship.
24. However, on the general principle, the Court finds that it is desirable to state reasons so that addressees of decisions can be put in a position to understand the decisions that affect them and to assert and defend their rights as necessary. While it may have been preferable in this case for the Stewards to give further reasons, the Court finds that in this specific case the addressees of the Contested Decisions were in a position to know precisely which arguments had been accepted or rejected by the Stewards given that detailed arguments and protests had been submitted, including arguments proposing specific interpretations of the applicable regulations, and these interpretations were rejected in clear terms by the Stewards. The Appellants were therefore in a position to assert their rights of defence and appeal. This is further evidenced by the comprehensive appeals they have in fact submitted. In light of the foregoing, the First Plea must be denied.
Second Plea – The Contested Design Teams Did Not Disclose the Possible Long Term Consequences from Using a New Design and Did Not Seek Clarification from the FIA Technical Department, in Breach of Article 2.4 TR
a) Arguments of the parties
25. The Appellants submit that Williams, Brawn GP, and Toyota breached Article 2.4 TR, which states:
Should a competitor introduce a new design or system or feel that any aspect of these regulations is unclear, clarification may be sought from the FIA Formula One Technical Department. If clarification relates to any new design or system, correspondence must include:
- a full description of the design or system;
- drawings or schematics where appropriate;
- the competitor's opinion concerning the immediate implications on other parts of the car of any proposed new design;
- the competitor's opinion concerning any possible long term consequences or new developments which may come from using any such new designs or systems;
- the precise way or ways in which the competitor feels the new design or system will enhance the performance of the car.
The Appellants state the Contested Design Concept constitutes a new design and that it is unlikely that such clarification was sought, or in case it was sought, it is unlikely to have included the information required by Art. 2.4 TR. The Appellants submit that the Stewards' conclusion that the contested designs are legal has been made without consideration of some or all of the items of correspondence required by Art. 2.4 TR. They express concern that, as a consequence, the Contested Decisions were based on misleading or incomplete information.
26. In this regard, Renault adds that notwithstanding the wording in Art. 2.4 TR that clarification "may be sought" from the FIA, in reality, it is a requirement under Art. 2.4 TR that clarification is sought from the FIA when it comes to new designs or systems that may be illegal. In support of this, Renault refers to a decision of this Court of 22 August 2006 regarding the legality of Renault's Tuned Mass Damper, in which the Court agreed with a statement by Mr. Whiting that Renault should have made a request for clarification under Art.
2.4. TR and held that:
[…] it is however necessary, for any future developments that might apply to similar devices, to refer to Article 2.4 of the Technical Regulations which allows competitors to justify the innovations which are suggested, and to obtain official clarification from the FIA in this respect […]
27. The FIA and the Contested Design Teams contest this argument on the basis that Art. 2.4 TR is voluntary – it only invites a team to seek the view of the FIA Technical Department as to the legality of a new design; it does not require a team to do so.
28. The FIA and the Contested Design Teams further submit that a clarification under Art. 2.4 TR would not have been appropriate as the Contested Design Concept is not new. While there may be novel aspects to the Contested Design Concept, secondary or central diffusers have been widely used by many teams in the past.
29. The FIA and Brawn GP argue that Renault's reliance upon the Tuned Mass Damper appeal is misconceived, as the "Tuned Mass Dampers" referred to in that appeal had not been seen on Formula One cars before (unlike diffuser devices) and hence there was a better argument for a clarification under Art. 2.4
TR in that case.
30. Brawn and Toyota further submit that, in any event, failure to obtain Art. 2.4 TR clarification does not render a compliant car non-compliant with the TR; what counts is satisfying the Technical Delegates at scrutineering and satisfying the Stewards at any protest, which has now been done twice.
b) Findings of the Court
31. The Court denies the Second Plea on the grounds that the wording of Art. 2.4 TR that "clarification may be sought" clearly indicates that there is no obligation, even in circumstances where a new design or system has been created, for competitors to seek a clarification from the FIA Technical Department. Rather, under Article 2.7 TR, it is the duty of each competitor to satisfy the FIA Technical Delegate and the Stewards that his car complies with the relevant regulations.
Third Plea – The Contested Design Concept is Inconsistent with the Preamble to Article 3 TR and with the Efforts of the FIA Overtaking Working Group and the FIA to Facilitate Overtaking
a) Arguments of the parties
32. The Appellants allege that the Contested Design Concept is not in compliance with either the conclusions of the FIA Overtaking Working Group (the "OWG") or the spirit of such conclusions, which are set out in the preamble to Article 3 TR.
33. The OWG was tasked with proposing a new set of regulations for the 2009 Formula One season in order to reduce the aerodynamic disadvantage (or "wake") suffered by a competitor's car when following another car during a race and accordingly, to make overtaking less difficult. The Appellants submit that the OWG had the stated aim to reduce downforce by up to 50% of 2006 levels. Based, inter alia, on advice from the OWG, the FIA amended Article 3 TR. Some of these amendments resulted in: changes to the front and rear wing; shifting the rear diffuser backwards by 330mm; limiting the height of the diffuser visible from below to 175mm; and extending the rear limit of the diffuser so as to prevent the rear wing and diffuser from working in combination. The changes to Article 3 TR also included the addition of a preamble, the first sentence of which states:
34. The Appellants argue that, by circumventing the TR, the cars of the Contested Design Teams produce levels of downforce that defeat the purpose of the OWG and undermine the intention and effect of the changes to Art. 3 TR. The Appellants further allege that the diffusers used by the Contested Design Teams will make overtaking harder – by making it more difficult to maintain performance in a wake and by increasing cornering speeds – contrary to the stated goals of the FIA, the OWG and the objectives of the changes to the rules concerning aerodynamics.
35. Ferrari submits that the first sentence of the preamble and the historical development and context of Art. 3 TR clearly demonstrate the intention of Art. 3 TR (namely, to facilitate overtaking and decrease the detrimental effect of the wake), and argue that in the event of any ambiguity this Article should be interpreted in accordance with its intention.
36. Toyota submits that Art. 3 TR is not ambiguous, implying that it is not necessary to turn to the preamble to interpret the various provisions of Art. 3 TR. Brawn GP and Williams, on their part, argue that the first sentence of the preamble and the intentions of the OWG cannot be used to override the TR, as the words used in the preamble cannot be enforced on their own nor can they overrule the precise wording used in the provisions of the TR themselves.
37. The Contested Design Teams further argue that, in any event, it has not been proven that the Contested Design Concept has a detrimental effect on the car's wake. They submit that the Contested Design Concept is not contrary to the intentions of Art. 3 TR.
38. The FIA argues that the preamble was not intended as an operative provision which could give rise to a penalty, but was added to explain the context so that the Technical Working Group ("TWG") might take action in the future if it agreed that previous levels of downforce were being regained. The FIA relies, in this regard, on minutes from a TWG meeting in March 2008 which state: Mr WHITING said that rather than an instrument for penalising offenders the paragraph was intended as a safeguard, which would allow the changing of the regulations if the F1TWG considered that 2006 levels of downforce were being regained.
b) Findings of the Court
39. With respect to the intentions of and the work done by the OWG, the Court holds that the OWG is merely an advisory body and that it does not have rulemaking authority.
40. The Court takes notice of the first sentence of the preamble to Article 3 TR. While it may be possible for the Court to seek to interpret an ambiguous text in light of this preamble, it is not possible for the Court to depart from or ignore the unambiguous text of the regulations to give effect to the general statement set out in the first sentence of the preamble. Nor is the first sentence of Art. 3
TR specific enough to be capable of enforcement on its own or of being
regarded as a rule which can conflict with the explicit terms of the remainder of Art. 3 TR.
41. Moreover, no party has submitted conclusive evidence demonstrating to the Court that the use of the Contested Design Concept increases the detrimental effect that the wake of a car may have on a following car, and indeed some evidence to the contrary was submitted.
42. Therefore, the Court takes account of the first sentence of the preamble to Art. 3 TR, the work of the OWG and the historical development of Art. 3 TR, though notes that doing so will have a limited effect on this case as the Court does not consider that it has conclusive evidence regarding the wake of cars using the Contested Design Concept. In addition, for the most part the text of Art. 3.12 is unambiguous and therefore interpretation will play a limited role.
43. Therefore, the Court denies the Third Plea.
Fourth Plea – The Design of the Bodywork violates Article 3.12 TR
44. The Contested Design Teams base the legality of the Contested Design Concept inter alia on Article 3.12.3 TR, which provides that:
The surface lying on the reference plane must be joined around its periphery to the surfaces lying on the step plane by a vertical transition. If there is no surface visible on the step plane vertically above any point around the periphery of the reference plane, this transition is not necessary.
45. The Contested Design Teams submit that they have shaped the step and reference planes to prevent them from overlapping at various points, so that vertically above these points on the reference plane, the step plane is not visible. As there is no surface visible on the step plane vertically above the periphery of the reference plane at these points, the transition is not necessary and has not been placed. There continue to be transitions joining the points where the step and reference planes overlap.
46. Thus, rather than having just one continuous transition, the Contested Design Concept involves the use of multiple vertical transitions between which air may pass (rather than a single continuous transition through which air may not pass). The spaces between these multiple vertical transitions allow air to be channeled towards an additional diffuser which is not visible from directly beneath the car (as it is placed above the visible lower diffuser).
47. The Contested Design Teams argue that there is no provision of the TR which prevents them from shaping the step and reference planes (provided each surface remains continuous), including by having 'cut-aways’ upon the peripheries of these surfaces. They point to examples of the cut-away or shaping used by all teams at the periphery of the step plane to accommodate the rear tires.
48. The Appellants argue that the Contested Design Concept contravenes Art. 3.12 of the TR for several reasons. First, the second sentence of Art. 3.12.3 TR is intended to refer only to the front of the car where the reference plane extends without a step plane anywhere above it. Second, the multiple transitions upon which the Contested Design Teams rely are not permitted. Third, that Art.
3.12.3 TR must be seen in the context of the rest of Art. 3 and in particular the preamble (noting that one of the purposes of the regulations is to minimize the detrimental effect that the wake of a car may have on a following car) and Art.
3.12.5 TR (requiring transitions to be solid, hard, continuous, rigid, impervious surfaces, thereby prohibiting the use of multiple transitions between which air may pass). They contend that the interpretation relied upon by Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams exploits a ‘loophole’ and is not what the regulation was intended to mean as it would permit the existence of what is, in their view, a ‘hole’ in the transitions towards the rear of the car, and permit diffuser devices which cause detrimental effects on the wake of the car which will in turn render overtaking more difficult. Fourth, the Appellants argue that the spaces through which air passes in the Contested Design Concept are holes and that the only holes permitted in the bodywork are the ‘fully enclosed holes’ described in Art.
3.12.5 TR (which these ‘holes’ do not comply with). Finally, the Appellants contend that the Contested Design Concept involves a diffuser which is in excess of 175mm in height above the reference plane and begins to direct air from a point forward of the rear wheel centre line in breach of Art. 3.12.7 TR.
49. The Court will address each of these arguments in turn. Article 3.12.3 TR was not intended to permit the absence of a transition towards the rear of the car
a) Arguments of the parties
50. The Appellants argue that the Contested Design Teams place reliance on Art.
3.12.3 TR for the validity of the Contested Design Concept at the rear of the car, while this provision was intended only to refer to the parts of the car where the reference plane extends without a step plane anywhere above it (i.e. the front of the car). The Appellants invite the Court to interpret Art. 3.12.3 TR in such a way as to give effect to the overall objective (noted in the first sentence of the preamble to Art. 3 TR) of facilitating overtaking by finding that this provision cannot be applied to bodywork towards the rear of the car.
51. The Contested Design Teams argue that Art. 3.12.3 TR contains no wording limiting its application to the front of the car.
b) Findings of the court
52. The Court finds no basis for the argument that Art. 3.12.3 TR applies only to the front of the car, and not the rear of the car. As noted in response to the Third Plea above, the Court may have regard to the overall objective as an aid to interpretation in circumstances where a text is ambiguous. However, this would not permit the Court to conclude that the scope of Art. 3.12.3 TR is limited to the front of the car when there is no support for such a conclusion in the text itself. In any case, as noted above, it has not been proven that the interpretation sought by the Appellants would in fact facilitate overtaking. This argument must therefore be rejected.
Multiple Transitions
a) Arguments of the parties
53. The Appellants submit that Articles 3.12.3 TR and 3.12.5 TR use the singular term “vertical transition”. This, the Appellants submit, shows that the TR envisage the existence of one single vertical transition joining the periphery of the surface lying on the reference plane to the surfaces of the step plane, and, where any of the Contested Design Teams have used additional vertical transitions in the rear of the car, this constitutes a breach of Art. 3.12.3 TR. 54. The Contested Design Teams submit that Art. 3.12.3 TR does not say there must be just one continuous transition that must run around the entirety of the periphery of the reference plane nor do they require the step plane to be vertically above every point of the reference plane. What is required is a transition at any point where the surface of the step plane is visible vertically above the reference plane. The possibility of using multiple transitions is moreover confirmed by the use of the plural “vertical transitions” in Art. 3.12.4 TR.
55. The FIA submits that, although Art. 3.12.3 TR refers in places to “transition” in the singular, each car in fact requires a minimum of two transitions to comply with the TR. The FIA Technical Department has, therefore, always taken the view that more than one transition is not only permitted, but is in fact required. 56. The FIA and the Contested Design Teams refer to the existence of several examples (from previous seasons) of multiple vertical transitions being used by teams, including each of the Appellants.
57. At the hearing, Ferrari acknowledged that multiple vertical transitions had been used by many teams in the past, including Ferrari itself, and argued that all such prior uses (including its own) had constituted a technical violation of the TR which had been tolerated. However, it argued that where multiple transitions had been used at the front of the car, rather than the rear, this constituted only a minor breach which could have been easily remedied, had it been necessary to do so, without a significant detriment to performance. Ferrari contends that multiple vertical transitions at the rear of the car have not been seen before and constitute a more serious violation which should not be tolerated.
b) Findings of the Court
58. The Court concludes that the language used in Art. 3.12 TR does not explicitly restrict the number of vertical transitions to one. Several teams, including the Appellants have themselves used multiple vertical transitions in the past. Art. 3.12.4 TR refers to “vertical transitions” in the plural. Moreover, it appears that the idea that only one single transition must be used, if accepted, would mean that it would not be possible to have a transition on each of the two sides of the car.
59. The Court therefore finds that, in concept, having more than one vertical transition between the step and reference planes is not prohibited by the TR.
Article 3.12.3 TR must be seen in the context of the rest of Article 3 TR and Article 3.12.5 TR, requiring transitions to be solid, hard, continuous, rigid, impervious surfaces, thereby prohibiting the use of multiple transitions between which air may pass
a) Arguments of the parties
60. The Appellants submit that the Contested Design Concept contravenes the first sentence of Art. 3.12.5 TR because the presence of airways on the underbody of the car (i.e. between the vertical transitions used) necessarily means that the relevant surfaces cannot be solid, hard, continuous, rigid, impervious surfaces. They argue that any interpretation which would allow such airways cannot give effect to the purpose of the regulations as described in the first sentence of the preamble to Art. 3 TR.
61. The Contested Design Teams argue that the first sentence of Art. 3.12.5 TR is fully complied with, as all parts lying on the reference and step planes, in addition to each individual one of the transitions between the two planes are solid, hard, continuous, rigid and impervious (though there may be spaces between these separate individual surfaces).
62. The Contested Design Teams argue that the terms of Art. 3.12.5 TR, including the terms “continuous” and “impervious”, refer to each separate surface, including each separate vertical transition as they connect the reference plane and step plane, and does not mean that all surfaces of all transitions must be considered together as a single surface which is continuous and impervious. 63. Brawn GP also submits that the correct analysis is that surfaces lying on different planes can be “continuously” connected by a line that goes through different geometric planes.
64. The FIA contends that each of the transition surfaces must be continuous and impervious, but that there is no requirement for separate transitions to be regarded as a single continuous and impervious surface. The FIA accepts that if the reference plane, the step plane, and the transitions were to be treated as a single surface, then the spaces between them (together with any adjacent cut outs to the surfaces of the step or reference planes) would not be continuous or impervious. Indeed, these surfaces have been designed in such a way as to allow air to pass through the spaces between them. However, the FIA argues that these surfaces have always been treated individually; there is no reference in the TR to the surfaces being treated as one; and an expression such as “…the surface thus formed…” would have been used in Art. 3.12.5 TR if continuity between the surfaces (the FIA notes that the various references to “surfaces” are plural) were required or intended.
b) Findings of the Court
65. The Court does not accept the argument by Brawn GP that surfaces lying on different planes can be “continuously” connected by a line that goes through different geometric planes. If this were correct, then every part of the car and everything in physical contact with it could be deemed “continuous” and the term would serve no purpose.
66. However, the Court finds that the first sentence of Art. 3.12.5 TR does not state that it is necessary to view the reference plane, step plane and the transition as one single surface. Therefore, as long as each individual step plane, reference plane, and transition fulfils the criteria set out under Art. 3.12.5. TR (namely “solid”, “hard”, “continuous”, “rigid” and “impervious”), Art. 3.12.5 TR is complied with.
67. The fact that multiple vertical transitions are permitted necessarily implies that such transitions might not be joined to each other and therefore that there may be spaces between those transitions.
68. The Court accepts that this leads to the result that a single transition including, for example, a fully enclosed hole, would not be permitted as this single transition would not be continuous and impervious, though two transitions with a space between them would be permitted. This is the necessary result of the TR as written.
69. In reaching the conclusion that the first sentence of Art. 3.12.5 TR applies to each surface individually (and not the surfaces collectively), the Court is mindful of the first sentence of the preamble to Art. 3 TR. However, as noted above, the text of 3.12.5 is unambiguous and it has not been proven that this interpretation of Art. 3.12.5 TR (or indeed the entire Contested Design Concept) has effects detrimental to overtaking. Therefore, the first sentence of the preamble to Art. 3 TR is of limited assistance in this regard.
Fully Enclosed Holes
a) Arguments of the parties
70. The Appellants submit that the Contested Design Concept contravenes Art. 3.12.5 TR because the space that exists between the surfaces of the different transitions constitutes a “hole” and, under the second sentence of Art. 3.12.5 TR, holes are permitted as exceptions only if they meet two conditions: (i) that they are “fully enclosed” and (ii) that they appear on the surfaces of either the step or reference planes.
71. The Contested Design Teams and the FIA submit that, while there may be spaces between different surfaces, the surfaces themselves do not have holes in them. They contend that the spaces between different surfaces are not holes within the very specific meaning of Art. 3.12.5 TR, and that their arguments do not rely on the exception contained therein.
b) Findings of the Court
72. The Court confirms that “fully enclosed holes” are permitted only on the step plane or reference plane under Art 3.12.5 TR. Holes in the transitions are not addressed by this article of the TR. In any event, the Court finds that the spaces arising between the separate surfaces of different transitions are not “holes” in those surfaces (fully enclosed or otherwise) within the specific meaning of Art. 3.12.5 TR. Therefore, the Court considers that the compliance or otherwise of the Contested Design Concept does not turn on the exception contained in the second paragraph of Art. 3.12.5 TR.
The contested diffuser is in excess of 175mm in height above the reference plane and begins to direct air from a point forward of the rear wheel centre line in breach of Article 3.12.7 TR
a) Arguments of the parties
73. The Appellants submit that the Contested Design Concept breaches Art. 3.12.7 TR because it is in excess of 175mm in height above the reference plane. The Appellants further submit that the Contested Design Concept contravenes Art. 3.12.7 TR as it directs air upwards at a point which is forward of the rear wheel centre line.
74. The Contested Design Teams point out that Art. 3.12.7 TR states that: No bodywork which is visible from beneath the car and which lies between the rear wheel centre line and a point 350mm rearward of it may be more than 175mm above the reference plane. They argue that Art. 3.12.7 TR does not constrain the design of bodywork unless it is visible from directly beneath the car. They submit that, regardless of whether their Contested Design Concept might be in excess of 175mm in height above the reference plane, it is not visible from beneath and therefore not
constrained by this measurement.
75. Further they argue that there is no regulation which prohibits their diffusers from beginning to direct air upwards at a point which is forward of the rear wheel centre line.
b) Findings of the court
76. The Court finds that Art. 3.12.7 TR clearly applies only to “bodywork which is visible from beneath the car”. Parts which are not visible from directly beneath are not required to comply with the measurements in Art. 3.12.7 TR. In this case, no party submitted proof that any part of the Contested Design Concept which is visible from below lies more than 175mm above the reference plane.
77. The Court confirms that Art. 3.12.7 TR does not explicitly prohibit diffusers from beginning to direct air upwards at a point which is forward of the rear wheel centre line.
78. For all of the foregoing reasons, the Court denies the Fourth Plea.
Fifth Plea - Infinite Precision Has Been Used to Circumvent the Intention of the TR
a) Arguments of the parties
79. Red Bull submits that at least one Respondent, Brawn GP, relied on “infinite precision” in contravention of the second sentence of Article 3 TR, which states that:
[…] infinite precision can be assumed on certain dimensions provided it is clear that such an assumption is not being made in order to circumvent the intention of the relevant regulation. 80. The FIA submitted that its Technical Department, following careful examination of all cars, concluded that none of the contested cars make use of infinite precision to comply with the TR.
b) Findings of the court
81. As no party has submitted proof that infinite precision was relied upon and, to the contrary, the Court has heard submissions from the FIA stating that infinite precision was not relied upon, the Court denies the Fifth Plea.
Sixth Plea – The Decision of the Stewards is Inconsistent with Previous
Statements Rendered by the FIA
a) Arguments of the parties
82. Renault alleges that the FIA has previously rendered opinions to it, stating that designs similar to those used by the Contested Design Teams in the Contested Design Concept were contrary to the TR.
83. Red Bull submits that it asked the FIA in January 2007 to clarify its position as regards any discontinuity in the reference plane, and the response from the FIA clearly stated that such a discontinuity would be illegal.
84. The FIA argues that in no previous statement did it deal with the Contested Design Concept. The questions put to it in previous cases were different and answered correctly and in a manner consistent with its present position.
b) Findings of the Court
85. The Court observes that opinions of the Technical Department, while performing a vital role, are advisory in nature and are not Technical Regulations. Teams are obliged to comply with the TR as written. It is for the Stewards, and ultimately this Court, to offer binding interpretations of the TR. Even if the Contested Decisions were inconsistent with any opinion of the FIA Technical Department (which has not been established), this would not give rise to the invalidity of the Contested Decisions. The Court therefore denies the Sixth Plea.
Seventh Plea – Denying the Appeals Will Contravene the FIA’s Stated Objectives of Reducing the Costs of Formula One and Making it More Viable in the Long Term
a) Arguments of the parties
86. The Appellants submit a series of arguments in which they claim that disallowing the Appeals will add considerably to the required budgets of the teams at a time when efforts are being made to reduce the costs in Formula One.
87. The Appellants submit that if the Court declares the Contested Design Concept to be legal then the teams without such a design will have little choice other than to develop it, since the Contested Design Concept potentially results in notable performance gains. The Appellants argue that this means that the costs of competing will increase substantially.
88. The Contested Design Teams argue that any such cost is not relevant to the question of whether the Contested Design Concept complies with the TR.
b) Findings of the Court
89. The Court finds that it is for the FIA to determine how best to achieve its objectives, including any objective to reduce the cost of participation in Formula One by adopting regulations to achieve such aims. However, the possibility of teams not presently using the Contested Design Concept incurring future development costs is not a factor relevant to the legal assessment of whether the Contested Decisions comply with the TR or not. The Court therefore denies the Seventh Plea.
On those grounds,
[b]THE FIA INTERNATIONAL COURT OF APPEAL
Hereby:
1. Finds the Appeals to be admissible;
2. Rejects the Appeals against Decisions No. 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24 taken by the Panel of Stewards on 26 March 2009 at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia;
3. Orders the Appellants to pay the costs of the present Appeals, in accordance with Article 24 of the Rules of the International Court of Appeal.[/b]
Brian Velasco escribió:y eso quiere decir que......
perdón, pero hoy no estoy muy lucido como para andar traduciendo todo eso
Sixth Plea – The Decision of the Stewards is Inconsistent with Previous
Statements Rendered by the FIA
a) Arguments of the parties
82. Renault alleges that the FIA has previously rendered opinions to it, stating that designs similar to those used by the Contested Design Teams in the Contested Design Concept were contrary to the TR.
83. Red Bull submits that it asked the FIA in January 2007 to clarify its position as regards any discontinuity in the reference plane, and the response from the FIA clearly stated that such a discontinuity would be illegal.
84. The FIA argues that in no previous statement did it deal with the Contested Design Concept. The questions put to it in previous cases were different and answered correctly and in a manner consistent with its present position.
b) Findings of the Court
85. The Court observes that opinions of the Technical Department, while performing a vital role, are advisory in nature and are not Technical Regulations. Teams are obliged to comply with the TR as written. It is for the Stewards, and ultimately this Court, to offer binding interpretations of the TR. Even if the Contested Decisions were inconsistent with any opinion of the FIA Technical Department (which has not been established), this would not give rise to the invalidity of the Contested Decisions. The Court therefore denies the Sixth Plea.
Thonolan escribió:Resumiendo que la razón de la FIA para que los difusores presentados por Red Bull y Renault es "por que yo lo valgo". Lo de decir que "no tienen que ver nada con le que se discute ahora" es decir: "mira, niño,dejame en paz que hago lo que quiero y no tengo por que dar explicaciones..."
Pero bueno, lo de siempre... no sé por que me sorprendo.
Un saludo.
Thonolan escribió:Resumiendo que la razón de la FIA para que los difusores presentados por Red Bull y Renault es "por que yo lo valgo". Lo de decir que "no tienen que ver nada con le que se discute ahora" es decir: "mira, niño,dejame en paz que hago lo que quiero y no tengo por que dar explicaciones..."
Pero bueno, lo de siempre... no sé por que me sorprendo.
Un saludo.
caren103 escribió:Que las cuestiones planteadas en casos anteriores eran DIFERENTES y se contestaroan correctamente y de forma coherente con su posición actual.
UPz escribió:Según comentaron, BMW quería interponer una nueva reclamación, ya que ellos no conocen que elementos fueron tachados de ilegales en enero del 2007, para así tener una idea de por donde van los tiros.