¿Alguien me ayuda a descifrar los últimos mensajes que está dejando Aegies en gaf?
Aegies: I would be more interested to see developers explain the "it's a wash" comments, since they're the ones making them. I never said "secret sauce." I said additional hardware to help performance, which is in the diagram. Also, numerous comments and hints I made were validated by the diagram. I've never said the GPU put out more flops than Orbis's solution. I haven't even said Durango was more powerful for quite a while (which disappeared once I got flop numbers for both and the "they aren't representative" talk).
I've said repeatedly there's hardware to get around the memory bandwidth limitations, that it targets efficiency, and that developers seem to like it. None of that is disproven or declared "bullshit" by this. I feel like I've tried pretty hard not to get into the power-pissing contest. I've only gone on record as saying the systems aren't far apart (which I continue to hear), and that Durango isn't "weak" by any definition. I understand that there's a desire to lump everything every person who has had something positive to say about the system together into one meta-poster, but that's not the case.
And yeah, the diagram and specs are accurate as of last February, though it isn't the exact diagram I've seen. I don't know if VGLeaks made it themselves based on their own conjecture or not.
Edit: also, they're still not talking about the hardware display planes (there are three, one is reserved for the OS, and each can render at a different resolution), which are definitely a thing, and the move engines, which are also a thing.
Originally Posted by nib95: Bare in mind, at that time Durango dev kits had 12gb DDR3 (so assuming less for retail) and Orbis was projected to have just 2GB GDDR5 for it's final retail unit. Things have changed somewhat since then. However, I still hold the belief that Microsoft is holding back and has more to offer.
Aegies: No. They're saying now. Like, for the last two months, well after hardware had been finalized. Both systems are in final hardware test now. I'd heard Yoshida just did a little world tour to confirm things were ready to show before they announced this month's event. I'm not scrambling to do anything. I've been waiting for this thread to happen. Just like I'm waiting for E3 to show up so this thread looks like a festival of crazy people who overreacted to numbers they don't understand (and which honestly I've been looking at for a couple of months now and barely understand).
Originally Posted by jbug617: Aegies responded on twitter said that the leaks are accurate but from 1yr ago. Don't know if anything changed or not.
Aegies: I said the leaks are accurate as of last February, because that's the date on all the documentation I've seen. Smart posters should be able to figure out why.
Originally Posted by Deuterium: Hi Aegies, Hold the phone... Are you saying that all the "leaked" RUMORS appear to be based upon unconfirmed specs that are exactly one year old. Son of a bitch...seems to me that this is a lot of time within which things might change, before final production design is frozen.
Aegies: I'm not saying the specs have changed. I don't think that they have. I'm just trying to qualify my statement as specifically as possible. See: ass-covering.
Originally Posted by The Chef:
Here is my thing Aegies. You have clearly showed yourself to have a 'leaning' in this particular race between the two consoles.
I remember not to long ago you were telling all of us you were hearing Durango was clearly superior this being a sentiment not echoed by everyone on the board but one I took more seriously from you since I would assume you to have superior connections in the industry.
It appears though that you were wrong.
Now that's fine but you go to great efforts to spin things to Durango's favor in some way.
What were hearing from Gaming Media is:
-Orbis is more powerful(how big the gap is depends on the site)
-Devs love Orbis: Sony has taken a much more active roll in providing a friendly system.
What you tell us:
-Orbis's advantages will be nullified with components not revealed on Durango.
-Devs don't like Orbis and if anything are much more excited for Durango!
Maybe this bothers me because I wanted to believe you were right cause I love my 360 and I am really excited about Microsofts next console but you are definitely not my source for legitimate information anymore.
Aegies: I've also said: durango was. It's not anymore. Orbis saw a major hardware change last summer. Also, there's already been public information that developers have more confidence in Microsoft's platform. Performance between the two systems will be very close. Third party games will look basically the same, at least for the first couple of years, at which point either the ram difference will start to matter, or the flop difference will. And if either company "wins," it'll be based on their services and the exclusive content (not games, but content) they deliver first. Or they'll both tank and no more consoles.
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Durango era antes más potente. Ya no lo es. Orbis hizo un cambio grande de hardware el pasado verano. Además, hay información pública de que los desarrolladores les gusta más la plataforma que está creando Microsoft. El rendimiento de los dos sistemas estará muy cercano. Los juegos multiplataforma se verán básicamente iguales, al menos los primeros años, y en ese punto la diferencia de ram empezará a ser importante, o la diferencia de flops. Y si una compañía o la otra "gana", será por sus servicios y su contenido exclusivo (no juegos).
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. No creo que ninguna de las 2 suelten datos técnicos no? Unos cuantos de videos, diseño de la consola y mando.............