Tres3 escribió:Es normal que Nintendo en el tema del HD esté pez, no hay que ser muy listo para ver que Wii U va ha ser la primera consola de Nintendo que dispondrá de salida HDMI y HD, osea, que ahora van ha empezar a trabajar sobre HD.
Lo del Mario Bros, pues igual lo tenían programado desde hace eones, y no se han molestado en optimizarlo, pero vamos, que es una cosa que se hace rápido, reescalando.
También apuntar, que le estáis dando muchas vueltas a las resoluciones y posibles espec de Wii U, cuando esta mas que clara la postura de Nintendo, de que Wii U no es una consola para gamers, aunque tenga alta definicion.
Wii U esta mas enfocada a un usuario medio que busca mas diversion que graficazos a X resolucion o X capacidad tecnica.
![[tadoramo]](/images/smilies/adora.gif "Adorando")
![[+risas]](/images/smilies/nuevos/risa_ani3.gif "más risas")
Cosmyc escribió:Si Wii U no mueve SMBU a 1080p es por culpa del software, el hardware de la consola corre de sobra ese juego a dicha resolución.
PD: lherre, balder2 y cía, desde que terminó el E3 no me he pasado por aquí ni en el hilo multi. Me he perdido algo desde entonces? Alguna novedad o post interesante? Gracias
CPU :
The Wii U's CPU is a three-core, dual-threaded, out-of-order IBM Power ISA processor with 3MB of eDRAM L2 cache. Superficially it looks pretty similar to the Xenon CPU in the XBox 360, but it's a completely new CPU, and there are a number of important differences from Xenon:
- Firstly, it supports out-of-order execution. Roughly speaking, this means that the processor can alter the order it executes instructions to operate more efficiently. The benefit of this depends on the kind of code being run. Physics code, for example, wouldn't see much benefit from an out-of-order processor, whereas AI code should run significantly better. Out-of-order execution also generally improves the processor's ability to run poorly optimized code.
- Secondly, we have the larger cache (3MB vs 1MB). The Xenon's cache was actually pretty small for a processor running 6 threads at 3.2.GHz, causing a lot of wasted cycles as threads wait for data to be fetched from main memory. The Wii U CPU's larger cache should mean code runs much more efficiently in comparison, particularly when combined with the out-of-order execution.
- The Xenon processor used the VMX128 AltiVec unit (or SIMD unit), which was a modified version of IBM's then-standard VMX unit, with more gaming-specific instructions. It appears that the Wii U's CPU will feature a highly customized AltiVec unit itself, possibly based off the newer VSX unit. This should substantially increase the efficiency of a lot of gaming-specific code, but the important thing is that, unlike the out-of-order execution and large cache, developers have to actively make use of the new AltiVec unit, and they have to really get to know how it operates to get the most out of it.
- The Wii U has a dedicated DSP for audio and a dedicated I/O processor. These relieve the CPU of a lot of work, for instance there are XBox 360 games which require an entire core to handle audio.
The CPU should have quite a bit less raw power than the PS3's Cell, although the same will most likely be true for both the PS4 and next XBox. It will, however, be significantly easier to program for, and should be more effective at running a lot of code, for instance AI.
There aren't any reliable sources on the CPU's clock speed, but it's expected to be around 3.2Ghz or so.
GPU :
The GPU is likely to be VLIW-based, with a pretty modern feature-set and 32MB of eDRAM. We don't have any reliable numbers on either SPU count or clock speed, but in bullshit multiplier comparisons to the Xenos (XBox 360's CPU), most indications are that it's closer to 2 or 3 times the raw power of Xenos, as opposed to the 1.5 times quoted in the OP. There are a few things we do know about the GPU though:
- The 32MB of eDRAM is the only hard number we have about the GPU. This is more than three times the size of the eDRAM framebuffer on Xenos, and should allow games to achieve either 720p with 4x AA or 1080p with no AA, without having to do tiling (the need to tile AA'd HD images on the Xenos's framebuffer made its "free" AA a lot less free). It's also possible (although unconfirmed) that the eDRAM is on-die with the GPU, as opposed to on-chip (and hence on another die). If true, this means that the eDRAM will have much lower latency and possibly much higher bandwidth than the XBox 360's set-up. Developers will have to actively make use of the eDRAM to get the most out of it, though.
- The GPU features a tesselator. However, we have no idea whether it's a 4000-series tesselator (ie not very good) or perhaps a more modern 6000-series tesselator (a lot better). Again, developers would have to actively make use of this in their game engines.
- The GPU is heavily customized and features some unique functionality. Although we don't have any reliable indications of what sort of functionality Nintendo has focused on, it's been speculated that it's related to lighting. Apparently games which make good use of this functionality should see substantial improvements in performance. More than any other feature of the console, though, developers really need to put in the effort to optimize their engines for the GPU's customizations to get the most out of them.
- The GPU has a customized API, based on OpenGL. Regular OpenGL code should run, but won't run very well and won't make any use of the GPU's custom features. Developers will need a good understanding of the GPU's API to get the most out of it.
RAM :
It seems the console will have either 1.5GB or 2GB of unified RAM, with indications that Nintendo were targeting 1.5GB with earlier dev-kits and later increased that to 2GB. We don't know the kind of RAM being used, but most expect DDR3, probably with a 128-bit interface and clock speed somewhere in the 750MHz to 1Ghz range, resulting in a bandwidth somewhat, but not significantly, higher than the XBox360 and PS3. It's worth noting that the large CPU cache and GPU eDRAM somewhat mitigate the need for very high bandwidths. It's possible, but quite unlikely, that they're using GDDR5, which would mean a much higher bandwidth.
Going by what we know about the console's hardware, it should be able to produce games which noticeably out-perform what's available on XBox 360 and PS3, so long as everything's properly optimized. Of course, performance will still be far behind the PS4 and next XBox. What we're seeing at E3 is unlikely to be well optimized for a number of reasons:
- "Final" dev-kits, with actual production hardware, only started to arrive to developers a few weeks ago. This would be too late for the E3 demos to make any real use of any improvements this final hardware may have brought. We know that these dev-kits brought a slight improvement in performance, but we don't know if there were any changes in functionality (eg to the eDRAM, which could indicate why we're seeing so little AA).
- Nintendo don't seem to have locked down the clock speeds yet, which makes it difficult for developers to properly optimize games for the hardware. As Nintendo now has final production hardware to do thermal testing on, final clock speeds should come pretty soon.
- For third party multi-plats, the XBox360 and PS3 versions are going to sell the most (due to higher install-bases), so developers are going to put more resources towards those versions, and are likely to put the more talented team-members on XBox360 and PS3 development as well. Because they can get PS360-grade performance out of the Wii U with a quick, poorly optimized port, most aren't going to bother putting the time and money into substantially improving the Wii U version.
- We've only seen launch-window titles, and launch-window titles that are about five months from completion, at that. I can only think of a single case where a game for new hardware was actually well optimized at this point before the launch of the console (Rogue Leader for Gamecube).
- While third parties are unlikely to make good use of the hardware, Nintendo haven't shown any games from the first party studios most likely to really push the hardware (eg Retro, Monolith, EAD Tokyo, EAD Kyoto Group 3). These studios are the ones to watch for technically impressive games in the first couple of years of the Wii U's life.
Interestingly, the best-looking game that's been shown off thus far is probably Platinum's Project P-100. While people haven't been focusing on it from a technical perspective that much because of the art style, it's got great textures, good polygon detail, very nice lighting, good effects, a nice DoF effect, the IQ seems good and the framerate seems smooth. In some parts it also does nice 3D visuals on both the TV and controller screen. I wouldn't go so far as saying it looks substantially better than anything we've seen on PS360 (certainly not without seeing it in person), but it's definitely a nice looking game.
balder2 escribió:Tres3 escribió:Es normal que Nintendo en el tema del HD esté pez, no hay que ser muy listo para ver que Wii U va ha ser la primera consola de Nintendo que dispondrá de salida HDMI y HD, osea, que ahora van ha empezar a trabajar sobre HD.
Lo del Mario Bros, pues igual lo tenían programado desde hace eones, y no se han molestado en optimizarlo, pero vamos, que es una cosa que se hace rápido, reescalando.
También apuntar, que le estáis dando muchas vueltas a las resoluciones y posibles espec de Wii U, cuando esta mas que clara la postura de Nintendo, de que Wii U no es una consola para gamers, aunque tenga alta definicion.
Wii U esta mas enfocada a un usuario medio que busca mas diversion que graficazos a X resolucion o X capacidad tecnica.
+1.000.000
Más razón que un santo, vamos! Sinceramente, con la de mentes pensantes que hay en este hilo y que sólo un pequeño grupo seamos capaces de ver esto me tiene algo confundido.
Yo para gráficos "pepinacos" tengo mi Xbox 360 Slim y mi Ps3. Cuando quiera ultra specs y gráficos Avatar ya me compraré Xbox 720 (lo siento Sony pero ya me la metiste doblada con Ps3)
Wii U me ofrece la posibilidad de tener la primera sobremesa de Nintendo y sus IPs en HD, un nuevo universo online y un controller "super innovador dentro del mundo de las consolas" que me va a permitir probar algo nuevo. Que tenga más o menos specs no me preocupa pues sé que los juegos Nintendo los voy a ver para alucinar, y para mí la foto de abajo es alucinar.
Para Marcus Fénix, Jefes Maestros, Kratos o Nathan Drakes ya se donde ir, pero este Mario con la calidad y lo bien que se ve sólo lo voy a tener en mi Wii U y eso para mí ya es suficiente.
Veo esta imagen y pienso en la gente que ve obligatorio que el juego vaya a 1080p sólo pqra demostrar algo, no sé qué pero algo. Si es que no le hace falta, lo importante es que vaya fluido y ahí es donde Nintendo lo ha clavado con los 60 frames. Joder, no seáis quisquillosos que lo único que se pone de manifiesto es que nada de lo que haga Nintendo os va a contentar.
Creo sinceramente que si ya estuvieran en el mercados los PS4/X720 ni os pasaríais por este hilo y que nos quedaríamos aquí los pocos que entendemos a la compañía y el producto que quieren vender.
PD: Os rajáis las vestiduras porque la consola puede valer 250, 300 ó 350 y me juego el cuello que tenéis Iphones, Galaxys 2 ó 3 que valen el doble o el triple que esta nueva consola y eso no os molesta. No sé gente, creo que el mundo está loco
![[buaaj]](/images/smilies/nuevos2/vomitivo.gif "mas potas")
balder2 escribió:Cosmyc escribió:Si Wii U no mueve SMBU a 1080p es por culpa del software, el hardware de la consola corre de sobra ese juego a dicha resolución.
PD: lherre, balder2 y cía, desde que terminó el E3 no me he pasado por aquí ni en el hilo multi. Me he perdido algo desde entonces? Alguna novedad o post interesante? Gracias
Hola compañero, por aquí no hay mucha novedad. Es que casi no hay notícias oficiales y las extra oficiales (si pueden ser negativas mejor que mejor) se utilizan para soltan un poco más de mierda si cabe( a veces que creo que este hilo es unicamente para eso) sobre Nintendo y Wii U.
lherre aclarando alguna duda, Extrechinato aportando alguna cosa interesante y algún compañero y yo invitando amablemente a 95% de de usuarios que han encontrado en este hilo un lugar perfecto para despotricar, reventar, menospreciar, aniquilar y soltar cualquier tipo de comentario menospreciante o ponzoñoso conta la nueva consola de N a que se vayan de este hilo y que utilicen los oficiales de Next Gen: PS4 o Xbox 720 para deleitarse con fabulaciones de super specs que parece ser lo ínico que interesa en el mundo actual de las consolas o sugeriendo directamente que abran un hilo llamado: Nintendo y Wii U, la gran estafa. Ahí si que sería más lógico lo que estan haciendo constantemente en este hilo.
A todo esto el compañero Extrechinato puso el otro día esto. Es una lectura muy interesante sobre lo que puede ofrecer Wii U y lo que se logrará si se programa en exclusiva para ella y lo que no.
Lo tienes en el spoiler que es muy largo.
un saludoCPU :
The Wii U's CPU is a three-core, dual-threaded, out-of-order IBM Power ISA processor with 3MB of eDRAM L2 cache. Superficially it looks pretty similar to the Xenon CPU in the XBox 360, but it's a completely new CPU, and there are a number of important differences from Xenon:
- Firstly, it supports out-of-order execution. Roughly speaking, this means that the processor can alter the order it executes instructions to operate more efficiently. The benefit of this depends on the kind of code being run. Physics code, for example, wouldn't see much benefit from an out-of-order processor, whereas AI code should run significantly better. Out-of-order execution also generally improves the processor's ability to run poorly optimized code.
- Secondly, we have the larger cache (3MB vs 1MB). The Xenon's cache was actually pretty small for a processor running 6 threads at 3.2.GHz, causing a lot of wasted cycles as threads wait for data to be fetched from main memory. The Wii U CPU's larger cache should mean code runs much more efficiently in comparison, particularly when combined with the out-of-order execution.
- The Xenon processor used the VMX128 AltiVec unit (or SIMD unit), which was a modified version of IBM's then-standard VMX unit, with more gaming-specific instructions. It appears that the Wii U's CPU will feature a highly customized AltiVec unit itself, possibly based off the newer VSX unit. This should substantially increase the efficiency of a lot of gaming-specific code, but the important thing is that, unlike the out-of-order execution and large cache, developers have to actively make use of the new AltiVec unit, and they have to really get to know how it operates to get the most out of it.
- The Wii U has a dedicated DSP for audio and a dedicated I/O processor. These relieve the CPU of a lot of work, for instance there are XBox 360 games which require an entire core to handle audio.
The CPU should have quite a bit less raw power than the PS3's Cell, although the same will most likely be true for both the PS4 and next XBox. It will, however, be significantly easier to program for, and should be more effective at running a lot of code, for instance AI.
There aren't any reliable sources on the CPU's clock speed, but it's expected to be around 3.2Ghz or so.
GPU :
The GPU is likely to be VLIW-based, with a pretty modern feature-set and 32MB of eDRAM. We don't have any reliable numbers on either SPU count or clock speed, but in bullshit multiplier comparisons to the Xenos (XBox 360's CPU), most indications are that it's closer to 2 or 3 times the raw power of Xenos, as opposed to the 1.5 times quoted in the OP. There are a few things we do know about the GPU though:
- The 32MB of eDRAM is the only hard number we have about the GPU. This is more than three times the size of the eDRAM framebuffer on Xenos, and should allow games to achieve either 720p with 4x AA or 1080p with no AA, without having to do tiling (the need to tile AA'd HD images on the Xenos's framebuffer made its "free" AA a lot less free). It's also possible (although unconfirmed) that the eDRAM is on-die with the GPU, as opposed to on-chip (and hence on another die). If true, this means that the eDRAM will have much lower latency and possibly much higher bandwidth than the XBox 360's set-up. Developers will have to actively make use of the eDRAM to get the most out of it, though.
- The GPU features a tesselator. However, we have no idea whether it's a 4000-series tesselator (ie not very good) or perhaps a more modern 6000-series tesselator (a lot better). Again, developers would have to actively make use of this in their game engines.
- The GPU is heavily customized and features some unique functionality. Although we don't have any reliable indications of what sort of functionality Nintendo has focused on, it's been speculated that it's related to lighting. Apparently games which make good use of this functionality should see substantial improvements in performance. More than any other feature of the console, though, developers really need to put in the effort to optimize their engines for the GPU's customizations to get the most out of them.
- The GPU has a customized API, based on OpenGL. Regular OpenGL code should run, but won't run very well and won't make any use of the GPU's custom features. Developers will need a good understanding of the GPU's API to get the most out of it.
RAM :
It seems the console will have either 1.5GB or 2GB of unified RAM, with indications that Nintendo were targeting 1.5GB with earlier dev-kits and later increased that to 2GB. We don't know the kind of RAM being used, but most expect DDR3, probably with a 128-bit interface and clock speed somewhere in the 750MHz to 1Ghz range, resulting in a bandwidth somewhat, but not significantly, higher than the XBox360 and PS3. It's worth noting that the large CPU cache and GPU eDRAM somewhat mitigate the need for very high bandwidths. It's possible, but quite unlikely, that they're using GDDR5, which would mean a much higher bandwidth.
Going by what we know about the console's hardware, it should be able to produce games which noticeably out-perform what's available on XBox 360 and PS3, so long as everything's properly optimized. Of course, performance will still be far behind the PS4 and next XBox. What we're seeing at E3 is unlikely to be well optimized for a number of reasons:
- "Final" dev-kits, with actual production hardware, only started to arrive to developers a few weeks ago. This would be too late for the E3 demos to make any real use of any improvements this final hardware may have brought. We know that these dev-kits brought a slight improvement in performance, but we don't know if there were any changes in functionality (eg to the eDRAM, which could indicate why we're seeing so little AA).
- Nintendo don't seem to have locked down the clock speeds yet, which makes it difficult for developers to properly optimize games for the hardware. As Nintendo now has final production hardware to do thermal testing on, final clock speeds should come pretty soon.
- For third party multi-plats, the XBox360 and PS3 versions are going to sell the most (due to higher install-bases), so developers are going to put more resources towards those versions, and are likely to put the more talented team-members on XBox360 and PS3 development as well. Because they can get PS360-grade performance out of the Wii U with a quick, poorly optimized port, most aren't going to bother putting the time and money into substantially improving the Wii U version.
- We've only seen launch-window titles, and launch-window titles that are about five months from completion, at that. I can only think of a single case where a game for new hardware was actually well optimized at this point before the launch of the console (Rogue Leader for Gamecube).
- While third parties are unlikely to make good use of the hardware, Nintendo haven't shown any games from the first party studios most likely to really push the hardware (eg Retro, Monolith, EAD Tokyo, EAD Kyoto Group 3). These studios are the ones to watch for technically impressive games in the first couple of years of the Wii U's life.
Interestingly, the best-looking game that's been shown off thus far is probably Platinum's Project P-100. While people haven't been focusing on it from a technical perspective that much because of the art style, it's got great textures, good polygon detail, very nice lighting, good effects, a nice DoF effect, the IQ seems good and the framerate seems smooth. In some parts it also does nice 3D visuals on both the TV and controller screen. I wouldn't go so far as saying it looks substantially better than anything we've seen on PS360 (certainly not without seeing it in person), but it's definitely a nice looking game.
![[jaja]](/images/smilies/nuevos2/otrasonrisa.gif "otra sonrisa")
Cosmyc escribió:Quien se va a comprar Wii U (en los que me incluyo) para alucinar con gráficos pepino, specs de la NASA y los típicos juegos multi creo que se equivocan de consola. Wii U va destinada a aquella gente que quiere las IP's de Nintendo, un par de juegos multis y exclusivos con gráficos decentes, con la novedad del mando aplicada a dichos juegos y ese enfoque/experiencia distinta que brinda Nintendo a sus consolas y software. Aquel que no encaje con dicho perfil y se ponga a poner a parir a la consola, sus juegos y Nintendo no sé que hace aquí, de verdad...
Cosmyc escribió:PD: Mi sobre con el dinero para la consola sigue ahí bien guardado esperando Navidad
![[plas]](/images/smilies/aplauso.gif "Aplausos")
Manu1981 escribió:Entrevista a Iwata que me hace dudar de que sea más potente wiiu que ps360 como decían algunos usuarios de este foro aunque parece que se confirma que de next gen poco o nada;
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 36301.html
Absolute Terror escribió:Manu1981 escribió:Entrevista a Iwata que me hace dudar de que sea más potente wiiu que ps360 como decían algunos usuarios de este foro aunque parece que se confirma que de next gen poco o nada;
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 36301.html
Valla, no me lo experaba
Lo que no entiendo es como es posible que gustandote tan poco la WiiU, estes dia si y dia tambien en el hilo. No se, me parece una tonteria perder tanto tiempo para repetir constantemente que una consola no te gusta.
Absolute Terror escribió:Manu1981 escribió:Entrevista a Iwata que me hace dudar de que sea más potente wiiu que ps360 como decían algunos usuarios de este foro aunque parece que se confirma que de next gen poco o nada;
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 36301.html
Valla, no me lo experaba
Lo que no entiendo es como es posible que gustandote tan poco la WiiU, estes dia si y dia tambien en el hilo. No se, me parece una tonteria perder tanto tiempo para repetir constantemente que una consola no te gusta.
jomjom escribió:Una cosa que siempre me ha llamado la atención del bloque de de la consola son las misteriosas pestañas que tienen en un lateral como se ve en la imagen
Tiene pinta de de ser una especie de tapa abatible para acceder al hard fácilmente... Posibles actualizaciones de hard a gusto del consumidor?
balder2 escribió:central98 escribió:Para "superar consolas que llevan en el mercado 6 años" no creo que haga falta vender nada a 400 o 500€. Una maquina a 250€ lanzada en 2012 deberia tener una superioridad notable desde el primer dia respecto a maquinas 7 años vista. Vamos que no quieren y ya esta, si es que al final no la acaba teniendo.
Dios, tan dificil de entender es el hecho que Nintendo no ha sacado una consola para flipados de los mega specs, ni siquiera para los que entienden que 1,5 ó 2 Gb de ram o tres núcleos y un chip DSP sea una mierda en el 2012???
Han sacado una consola con lo necesario para que su propuesta del Tablet Pad funcione, para que sus franquicias se vean el HD y para que el que se esfuerze un poco pueda mostrar cosas un algo mejor que lo que hay ahora.
Es que no pillo que no lo pilléis.
Cosmyc, no te canses que no se lo vas a hacer entender a esta gente. Piensan que si sacas una consola en el 2012 por cojones tiene que tener mínimo 8 núcleos, 4 Gb de ram y una radeon hd 6870 así a lo justito. Aunque quieras venderla a un precio muy ajustado, entre 250 ó 350 eur,da igual. Aunque lo que necesites para poner en funcionamiento tu buque insignia que es el Tablet pad sean unos requisitos más light, da igual. Que eso te dispare el precio y te rompa los esquemas de negocios aunque hayas repetivo mil vecesque no vas a entrar en la guerra tecnológica de MS y Sony.... eso da igual! Nintendo tiene que hacer la máquina que entienden los usuarios tipo Central, Manu, etc para que le vean un sentido lógico a la vida.
PD: Ah, se me olvidaba decir que Nintendo nos invita a comprar su nueva consola y no le pone a nadie una pistola en la cabeza para que la compre. Es que a veces creo que olvidamos eso...
balder2 escribió:PD: Ah, se me olvidaba decir que Nintendo nos invita a comprar su nueva consola y no le pone a nadie una pistola en la cabeza para que la compre. Es que a veces creo que olvidamos eso...
extrechinato escribió:Se confirma otra de las cosas que pensaba , algunos de los primeros juegos estaban pensados para Wii y finalmente los pasaron a Wii U.
Dejo uno de esos casos :
Jeremiah Slaczka, the CEO of Scribblenauts developer 5th Cell, has confessed that he’s completely fed up with the arguments about whether or not the Wii U is as powerful as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Slaczka says that the Wii U is definitely more powerful than both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3.
The Wii U is “definitely more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. It’s kind of frustrating to see the rumours and speculation of people going back and forth saying it’s weaker or more powerful. It’s definitely more powerful.”
“I think we were one of the first developers to see the Wii U.”
“Nintendo came to our studio and demoed it to us. A couple of weeks later Warner Bros. got to see it, and we said we should do this. This game was originally a Wii title but later moved to Wii U. It’s been about two years in development.”
PD : Que gusto me dio ver la noticia que confirma lo que os dije hace un tiempo de que posiblemente la Wii U sí que podría soportar el UE 4 , así como algo de la Ram (que hablé con Iherre por privado el día en el que el también me pasó muchos datos de la consola).
Saludos !!
extrechinato escribió:Se confirma otra de las cosas que pensaba , algunos de los primeros juegos estaban pensados para Wii y finalmente los pasaron a Wii U.
Dejo uno de esos casos :
Jeremiah Slaczka, the CEO of Scribblenauts developer 5th Cell, has confessed that he’s completely fed up with the arguments about whether or not the Wii U is as powerful as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Slaczka says that the Wii U is definitely more powerful than both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3.
The Wii U is “definitely more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. It’s kind of frustrating to see the rumours and speculation of people going back and forth saying it’s weaker or more powerful. It’s definitely more powerful.”
“I think we were one of the first developers to see the Wii U.”
“Nintendo came to our studio and demoed it to us. A couple of weeks later Warner Bros. got to see it, and we said we should do this. This game was originally a Wii title but later moved to Wii U. It’s been about two years in development.”
PD : Que gusto me dio ver la noticia que confirma lo que os dije hace un tiempo de que posiblemente la Wii U sí que podría soportar el UE 4 , así como algo de la Ram (que hablé con Iherre por privado el día en el que el también me pasó muchos datos de la consola).
Saludos !!
![[+furioso]](/images/smilies/nuevos/furioso.gif "muy furioso")
![[angelito]](/images/smilies/nuevos/angelito.gif "angelito")
no a estos inútiles desarrolladores
OGA_1080 escribió:extrechinato escribió:Se confirma otra de las cosas que pensaba , algunos de los primeros juegos estaban pensados para Wii y finalmente los pasaron a Wii U.
Dejo uno de esos casos :
Jeremiah Slaczka, the CEO of Scribblenauts developer 5th Cell, has confessed that he’s completely fed up with the arguments about whether or not the Wii U is as powerful as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Slaczka says that the Wii U is definitely more powerful than both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3.
The Wii U is “definitely more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. It’s kind of frustrating to see the rumours and speculation of people going back and forth saying it’s weaker or more powerful. It’s definitely more powerful.”
“I think we were one of the first developers to see the Wii U.”
“Nintendo came to our studio and demoed it to us. A couple of weeks later Warner Bros. got to see it, and we said we should do this. This game was originally a Wii title but later moved to Wii U. It’s been about two years in development.”
PD : Que gusto me dio ver la noticia que confirma lo que os dije hace un tiempo de que posiblemente la Wii U sí que podría soportar el UE 4 , así como algo de la Ram (que hablé con Iherre por privado el día en el que el también me pasó muchos datos de la consola).
Saludos !!
QUE NO!!!
que wiiU es un MIERDA y es IMPOSIBLE QUE SEA MAS POTENTE QUE PS360 lo dice manu! el sabe mucho de datos técnicos. hacedle caso a el
pd. como me divierto
Manu1981 escribió:OGA_1080 escribió:extrechinato escribió:Se confirma otra de las cosas que pensaba , algunos de los primeros juegos estaban pensados para Wii y finalmente los pasaron a Wii U.
Dejo uno de esos casos :
Jeremiah Slaczka, the CEO of Scribblenauts developer 5th Cell, has confessed that he’s completely fed up with the arguments about whether or not the Wii U is as tpowerful as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Slaczka says that the Wii U is definitely more powerful than both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3.
The Wii U is “definitely more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. It’s kind of frustrating to see the rumours and speculation of people going back and forth saying it’s weaker or more powerful. It’s definitely more powerful.”
“I think we were one of the first developers to see the Wii U.”
“Nintendo came to our studio and demoed it to us. A couple of weeks later Warner Bros. got to see it, and we said we should do this. This game was originally a Wii title but later moved to Wii U. It’s been about two years in development.”
PD : Que gusto me dio ver la noticia que confirma lo que os dije hace un tiempo de que posiblemente la Wii U sí que podría soportar el UE 4 , así como algo de la Ram (que hablé con Iherre por privado el día en el que el también me pasó muchos datos de la consola).
Saludos !!
QUE NO!!!
que wiiU es un MIERDA y es IMPOSIBLE QUE SEA MAS POTENTE QUE PS360 lo dice manu! el sabe mucho de datos técnicos. hacedle caso a el
pd. como me divierto
Perdona??,Si yo he dicho que va a ser más poderosa que ps360,pero que no mucho más,y además que tengo que ver yo ahora.En serio no me utiliceis los fanboys para justificar nada.
central98 escribió:balder2 escribió:central98 escribió:Para "superar consolas que llevan en el mercado 6 años" no creo que haga falta vender nada a 400 o 500€. Una maquina a 250€ lanzada en 2012 deberia tener una superioridad notable desde el primer dia respecto a maquinas 7 años vista. Vamos que no quieren y ya esta, si es que al final no la acaba teniendo.
Dios, tan dificil de entender es el hecho que Nintendo no ha sacado una consola para flipados de los mega specs, ni siquiera para los que entienden que 1,5 ó 2 Gb de ram o tres núcleos y un chip DSP sea una mierda en el 2012???
Han sacado una consola con lo necesario para que su propuesta del Tablet Pad funcione, para que sus franquicias se vean el HD y para que el que se esfuerze un poco pueda mostrar cosas un algo mejor que lo que hay ahora.
Es que no pillo que no lo pilléis.
No se que tiene que ver nada de las obviedades que contestas con lo que se estaba hablando de tecnologias y precios que ha iniciado otro usuario sobre lo que necesitaba costar para poder superar.
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Manu1981 escribió:OGA_1080 escribió:QUE NO!!!
que wiiU es un MIERDA y es IMPOSIBLE QUE SEA MAS POTENTE QUE PS360 lo dice manu! el sabe mucho de datos técnicos. hacedle caso a el
pd. como me divierto
Perdona??,Si yo he dicho que va a ser más poderosa que ps360,pero que no mucho más,y además que tengo que ver yo ahora.En serio no me utiliceis los fanboys para justificar nada.
urtain69 escribió:mister-foxhound escribió:En serio que no es por ser negativo, pero cada noticia que leo de wiiu me toca mas las narices, ahora el tio ese, Satoru Iwata, dice que no esperemos que nintendo haga juegos tipo call of duty, eso como se supone que te lo tienes que tomar, porque yo me lo tomo como que va a pasar con wiiu lo mismo que con wii, solo mercado casual y a la mierda los hardcore, a mi los cod no es que me apasionen, pero lo prefiero antes de tener solo juegos que normalmente solo se juegan en ocasiones especiales cuando se reune toda la familia, tuve que vender la wii cuando despues de mas de dos años, veia que no paraban de sacar juegazos para ps360 y para wii no sacaban una mierda, "esto lo digo desde mi punto de vista y bajo mi gusto" y me esta empezando a preocupar que eso mismo pueda pasar si me pillo la wiiu, sinceramente si pasase eso luego no me extrañaria que las third parties luego mandasen a nintendo a tomar por culo, espero sinceramente que eso de que no sacaremos juegos tipo cod, sea solo nintendo y que las demas compañias si que saquen buenos juegos, como ubisoft con zombiu...
http://www.3djuegos.com/noticias-ver/12 ... o-call-of/
Dice que no esperemos que NINTENDO haga un COD, no que otras compañias no los vayan a hacer.
Chuko25 escribió:Manu1981 escribió:OGA_1080 escribió:Se confirma otra de las cosas que pensaba , algunos de los primeros juegos estaban pensados para Wii y finalmente los pasaron a Wii U.
Dejo uno de esos casos :
Jeremiah Slaczka, the CEO of Scribblenauts developer 5th Cell, has confessed that he’s completely fed up with the arguments about whether or not the Wii U is as tpowerful as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Slaczka says that the Wii U is definitely more powerful than both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3.
The Wii U is “definitely more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. It’s kind of frustrating to see the rumours and speculation of people going back and forth saying it’s weaker or more powerful. It’s definitely more powerful.”
“I think we were one of the first developers to see the Wii U.”
“Nintendo came to our studio and demoed it to us. A couple of weeks later Warner Bros. got to see it, and we said we should do this. This game was originally a Wii title but later moved to Wii U. It’s been about two years in development.”
PD : Que gusto me dio ver la noticia que confirma lo que os dije hace un tiempo de que posiblemente la Wii U sí que podría soportar el UE 4 , así como algo de la Ram (que hablé con Iherre por privado el día en el que el también me pasó muchos datos de la consola).
Saludos !!
QUE NO!!!
que wiiU es un MIERDA y es IMPOSIBLE QUE SEA MAS POTENTE QUE PS360 lo dice manu! el sabe mucho de datos técnicos. hacedle caso a el
pd. como me divierto
Perdona??,Si yo he dicho que va a ser más poderosa que ps360,pero que no mucho más,y además que tengo que ver yo ahora.En serio no me utiliceis los fanboys para justificar nada.
balder2 escribió:VENTAS:
Wii vs Ps3
Wii vs Xbox 360
3DS vs PsVita
Nds vs PSP
