<<PoRtNoY>> escribió:Pues te he visto muy rápido echando la culpa a Syriza, no es por nada. Y eso que, ese primer punto objetivo que apuntas, es imposible que sea por culpa de ellos, básicamente porque ni siquiera existían cuando cierta gente generó todo este desastre.
Por otra parte, antes has mencionado 2 veces la deuda Alemana con Grecia, de la cual casi hasta te has "mofado", cuando, objetivamente, le debe ese dinero, o no?
Yo no he echado la culpa a Syriza de la situación de los griegos. Tú has hablado de medidas de Syriza que estaban funcionando y quería saber cuales son, sólo eso.
Y sobre el primer dato, puede ser culpa de la austeridad de la Troika, de los anteriores gobiernos griegos, de la población que ha elegido a esos gobiernos y no pagan sus impuestos, de una combinación de todo eso... Depende de tu orientación política elegir un lado u otro, aparentemente.
De eso de la deuda, no, objetivamente no le debe ese dinero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Ag ... rnal_DebtsThe London Agreement on German External Debts, also known as the London Debt Agreement (German: Londoner Schuldenabkommen), was a debt relief treaty between the Federal Republic of Germany and creditor nations. It was concluded in London during negotiations which lasted from February 27 to August 8, 1953.
The London Debt Agreement covered a number of different types of German debt from before and after the Second World War. Some of them arose directly out of the efforts to finance the reparations system, while others reflect extensive lending, mostly by U.S. investors to German firms and governments.
The parties that were involved besides West Germany included Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Great Britain, Greece, Iran, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Norway, Pakistan, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, South Africa, the United States, Yugoslavia and others. The states of the Eastern Bloc were not involved. The negotiations lasted from February 27 to August 8, 1953.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_re ... rld_War_IIIn 1942, the Greek Central Bank was forced by the occupying Nazi regime to loan 476 million Reichsmarks at 0% interest to Nazi Germany. In 1960, Greece accepted 115 million Marks as compensation for Nazi crimes. Nevertheless, past Greek governments have insisted that this was only a down-payment, not complete reparations.[1] In 1990, immediately prior to German reunification, West Germany and East Germany signed the Two Plus Four Agreement with the former Allied countries of the United States, Great Britain, France, and the Soviet Union. Since that time, Germany has insisted that all matters concerning World War II, including further reparations to Greece, are closed because Germany officially surrendered to the Allies and to no other parties, including Greece. On Sunday, February 8, 2015, the Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras appeared in front of the Greek parliament and officially demanded that Germany pay further reparations to Greece. On April 6, 2015, Greece demanded Germany pay it the equivalent of $303 billion in reparations for the war. Germany replied that the reparations issue was resolved in 1990.
La fuente que Wikipedia indica para el hecho de que "past Greek governments have insisted that this was only (...) not complete reparations" dice lo siguiente:
"[A] Special Report published by the Bank of Greece in 1962[...] specified the amount outstanding to be [...] more than tenfold the sum dispensed by Germany."
Lo que no significa que el gobierno griego haya cobrado Alemania alguna vez, o que haya reclamado que la primera indemnización era insuficiente en algún foro internacional.
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