wapesorg escribió:yo lo he desinstalado ya
el juego entero es un sinsentido
no niego que tenga buenas ideas. pero esas ideas están pensadas para jugarse en una ps5 con su gatillos hápticos
en una ps4 esas buenas ideas se difuminan obligándote a un sobreesfuerzo por las limitaciones del hardware que solamente una puesta en escena realmente espectacular podría obligarte a hacer
en vez de eso tenemos un aspecto visual muy muy pobre
hemos perdido cantidad de controles que estaban ahí para darle profundidad al gameplay.
desmarques, presion del segundo jugador (la programacion defensiva de la IA no es suficiente para paliar su falta, y otro año mas no han sido capaces de implementar un sistema de cansancio que penalice el uso desmedido del cuadrado), el cambio de cursor con el stick derecho es una calamidad porque solamente te deja alternar entre jugadores que están en la linea donde se está desarrollando el juego, de manera que no puedes ir a cubrir con un delantero para acto seguido seleccionar un lateral y tapar un eventual pase a la banda), puedes literalmente quedarte quieto en defensa y la delantera rival quedarse medio minuto mirándote hasta que uno de ellos decide que igual dando vueltas sobre ti puede acabar robándote el balón...
por si fuera poco el juego sigue teniendo la cabeza metida en el culo y no es capaz ni de dejarte jugar un amistoso offline a mas de 5 minutos.
la sensación es que es todo una cagada de proporciones bíblicas
este año aguantaré en pes2021 porque juego al 11vs11 y los servidores aguantan un año
a la que eso termine, será momento de evaluar lo que hago, y por más que me pese, ahora mismo la respuesta es bien clara.
Nunca pensé que diría esto, pero estoy hasta dispuesto a darle una oportunidad al fifa
konami lleva cavando su tumba desde hace años
siempre les he defendido porque el producto que entregaban, estando obsoleto desde el primer dia a todos los niveles, mantenia almenos una jugabilidad pulidísima dentro de lo que era el terreno de juego
si ya no son capaces de mantener esto, para mi están acabados
me planteo incluso cambiar de plataforma y migrar a xbox con su gamepass
Fuck Konami
edit: ah. y luego está esto (que a mi particularmente me daria igual si el gameplay fuese por lo menos correcto)
colacao22 escribió:Yo creo que ya sólo nos queda esperar el siguiente parche e ir valorando conforme vayan saliendo.
Para bien o para mal ya hemos dado la opinión todos algunos de acuerdo y otros no, pero ya está el hilo en modo bucle hace bastantes mensajes.
Sólo nos queda esperar.
![[fumando]](/images/smilies/nuevos/fumando.gif "fumando")
) Rubioxxxxx escribió:rafacastellano11 escribió:
Copio el hilo:
"Exactly one year ago, Kei Masuda was leading the "Next-Gen PES" project. It was already over two years in production. His plan was to write a next-gen PES from scratch for Unreal Engine. But at some point over the past year, Seitaro Kimura convinced KONAMI, that the future of the franchise was in a CROSS-GEN game, not a next-gen one. After all, mobile users were the only weapon Konami could use to stop EA's dominance with FIFA.
Bringing mobile users would mean having way more players available online and modes like FUT/MyClub were where EA & KONAMI were making most their money from. The financial success of the game depended on the success of MyClub, and without enough players online, matchmaking will take forever and players will abandon the mode By Q3 2020, with Covid and the superconductor shortages, it became clear that there will not be enough PS5s and XBSXs in peoples' homes for a "next-gen only" game to succeed. It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution.
First of all, it was already on Unreal Engine, making it much easier to use. But most importantly making the new game 'cross-platform' by adding mobile users would solve all issues with matchmaking, with millions of players available to play against console players online. The solution was obvious and it was an easy decision to make. They spent the rest of the year improving the graphical assets of this mobile base for the console version, so it would be more palatable for high-end gamers. Then they introduced a few gameplay mechanics & made it the focus of the new game. But what about the sophisticated physics and tactics that PES was famous for all those years? What about the nuanced off-ball player movement, the inspire trait and all the life-like tactics that were not part of the mobile game engine? Well, they'll just replace them with FIVE pre-set plans, where players mechanically move like robots into formation once the ball is won or lost.
The game will be free, so there can't be many complaints, right? Looking at this whole picture, I agree that a "next-gen only" game didn't sound like a financially sound idea, compared to a cross-gen game. The problem really is, with a few months, they had to rush everything, using a mobile game as a base, with lipstick on top of it. The result is the worst-reviewed game in history. Football is complicated.
"
Si todo esto es cierto, que no lo se (Pero tiene toda la pinta), es terrible, pero lo peor es de lejos esto:
"It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution."
No es ya que estés jugando en 2021 en tu PS5 un juego base de PS4 intergeneracional con algunos arreglos, no, es que estas jugando en tu PS5 a un juego que tiene como base de desarrollo los putos teléfonos móviles...
Konami, pudrete.
wolfcable escribió:Tampoco es que lo hayan hecho mucho peor que Cyberpunk 2077 y eso que la compañia tenia igual o mas cache que konami por the witcher 3 y mira la alpha que vendian al principio a precio de juego nuevo.
Esta claro que el cambio intergeneracional se les esta atragantando bastante a muchas compañias y eso por no hablar de todos los problemas de desarrollo debido a la pandemia y demas (que no es una excusa ni mucho menos).
![[facepalm]](/images/smilies/facepalm.gif "facepalm")
En realidad no hace falta reportarte, ya tienes bastante con tu falta de sentido del humor ![[+risas]](/images/smilies/nuevos/risa_ani3.gif "más risas")
Dana92 escribió:Por favor leer los comentarios que poníamos en la primera página, os va a dar pena y risas por igual, jajajajaja.
Comparad también la cara de messi en los dos vídeos del primer video. Llorando de la risa tú
Ferdopa escribió:Jur...
Por favor, no convirtamos el hilo en un PES vs FIFA.
Un saludo.
![[looco]](/images/smilies/nuevos2/borracho.gif "loco")
Dana92 escribió:Por favor leer los comentarios que poníamos en la primera página, os va a dar pena y risas por igual, jajajajaja.
Comparad también la cara de messi en los dos vídeos del primer video. Llorando de la risa tú
:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/infobae/5FVDAFQZP5BN7GYJI7N4QFK5CQ.jpg)
![[carcajad]](/images/smilies/nuevos/risa_ani2.gif "carcajada")
colacao22 escribió:Dana92 escribió:Por favor leer los comentarios que poníamos en la primera página, os va a dar pena y risas por igual, jajajajaja.
Comparad también la cara de messi en los dos vídeos del primer video. Llorando de la risa tú
Me acabo de leer 3 páginas de un tirón. Simplemente brutal.
Rubioxxxxx escribió:rafacastellano11 escribió:
Copio el hilo:
"Exactly one year ago, Kei Masuda was leading the "Next-Gen PES" project. It was already over two years in production. His plan was to write a next-gen PES from scratch for Unreal Engine. But at some point over the past year, Seitaro Kimura convinced KONAMI, that the future of the franchise was in a CROSS-GEN game, not a next-gen one. After all, mobile users were the only weapon Konami could use to stop EA's dominance with FIFA.
Bringing mobile users would mean having way more players available online and modes like FUT/MyClub were where EA & KONAMI were making most their money from. The financial success of the game depended on the success of MyClub, and without enough players online, matchmaking will take forever and players will abandon the mode By Q3 2020, with Covid and the superconductor shortages, it became clear that there will not be enough PS5s and XBSXs in peoples' homes for a "next-gen only" game to succeed. It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution.
First of all, it was already on Unreal Engine, making it much easier to use. But most importantly making the new game 'cross-platform' by adding mobile users would solve all issues with matchmaking, with millions of players available to play against console players online. The solution was obvious and it was an easy decision to make. They spent the rest of the year improving the graphical assets of this mobile base for the console version, so it would be more palatable for high-end gamers. Then they introduced a few gameplay mechanics & made it the focus of the new game. But what about the sophisticated physics and tactics that PES was famous for all those years? What about the nuanced off-ball player movement, the inspire trait and all the life-like tactics that were not part of the mobile game engine? Well, they'll just replace them with FIVE pre-set plans, where players mechanically move like robots into formation once the ball is won or lost.
The game will be free, so there can't be many complaints, right? Looking at this whole picture, I agree that a "next-gen only" game didn't sound like a financially sound idea, compared to a cross-gen game. The problem really is, with a few months, they had to rush everything, using a mobile game as a base, with lipstick on top of it. The result is the worst-reviewed game in history. Football is complicated.
"
Si todo esto es cierto, que no lo se (Pero tiene toda la pinta), es terrible, pero lo peor es de lejos esto:
"It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution."
No es ya que estés jugando en 2021 en tu PS5 un juego base de PS4 intergeneracional con algunos arreglos, no, es que estas jugando en tu PS5 a un juego que tiene como base de desarrollo los putos teléfonos móviles...
Konami, pudrete.
Rubioxxxxx escribió:rafacastellano11 escribió:
Copio el hilo:
"Exactly one year ago, Kei Masuda was leading the "Next-Gen PES" project. It was already over two years in production. His plan was to write a next-gen PES from scratch for Unreal Engine. But at some point over the past year, Seitaro Kimura convinced KONAMI, that the future of the franchise was in a CROSS-GEN game, not a next-gen one. After all, mobile users were the only weapon Konami could use to stop EA's dominance with FIFA.
Bringing mobile users would mean having way more players available online and modes like FUT/MyClub were where EA & KONAMI were making most their money from. The financial success of the game depended on the success of MyClub, and without enough players online, matchmaking will take forever and players will abandon the mode By Q3 2020, with Covid and the superconductor shortages, it became clear that there will not be enough PS5s and XBSXs in peoples' homes for a "next-gen only" game to succeed. It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution.
First of all, it was already on Unreal Engine, making it much easier to use. But most importantly making the new game 'cross-platform' by adding mobile users would solve all issues with matchmaking, with millions of players available to play against console players online. The solution was obvious and it was an easy decision to make. They spent the rest of the year improving the graphical assets of this mobile base for the console version, so it would be more palatable for high-end gamers. Then they introduced a few gameplay mechanics & made it the focus of the new game. But what about the sophisticated physics and tactics that PES was famous for all those years? What about the nuanced off-ball player movement, the inspire trait and all the life-like tactics that were not part of the mobile game engine? Well, they'll just replace them with FIVE pre-set plans, where players mechanically move like robots into formation once the ball is won or lost.
The game will be free, so there can't be many complaints, right? Looking at this whole picture, I agree that a "next-gen only" game didn't sound like a financially sound idea, compared to a cross-gen game. The problem really is, with a few months, they had to rush everything, using a mobile game as a base, with lipstick on top of it. The result is the worst-reviewed game in history. Football is complicated.
"
Si todo esto es cierto, que no lo se (Pero tiene toda la pinta), es terrible, pero lo peor es de lejos esto:
"It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution."
No es ya que estés jugando en 2021 en tu PS5 un juego base de PS4 intergeneracional con algunos arreglos, no, es que estas jugando en tu PS5 a un juego que tiene como base de desarrollo los putos teléfonos móviles...
Konami, pudrete.
Cecil_Harvey escribió:Estamos de acuerdo en que Konami podría sacar una putísima mierda injugable y seguiría habiendo quien los defienda y le guste el juego. Cada uno es como es. Lo que pasa es que cuando el río suena, agua lleva. Cuando hay tanto consenso en que han sacado un truño seguramente algo de razón hay, y a mi lo que de verdad me sorprende muchísimo son las tragaderas de alguno para seguir aguantando un producto como este con sus pocas virtudes y sus innumerables defectos mientras se siguen negando a darle una oportunidad a la competencia por razones casi sectarias.
![[oki]](/images/smilies/net_thumbsup.gif "Ok!")
lexo escribió:Cecil_Harvey escribió:Estamos de acuerdo en que Konami podría sacar una putísima mierda injugable y seguiría habiendo quien los defienda y le guste el juego. Cada uno es como es. Lo que pasa es que cuando el río suena, agua lleva. Cuando hay tanto consenso en que han sacado un truño seguramente algo de razón hay, y a mi lo que de verdad me sorprende muchísimo son las tragaderas de alguno para seguir aguantando un producto como este con sus pocas virtudes y sus innumerables defectos mientras se siguen negando a darle una oportunidad a la competencia por razones casi sectarias.
¿Seguimos hablando de videojuegos verdad? Madre mía... Sal, ves a comprar algo, descansa! Todo irá bien
Una cosa no quita la otra. Que eFootball sea injugable no quiere decir que se le aviste ciertas cosas interesantes que puedan tener potencial. Por otro lado FIFA no tiene porque gustarle a todo el mundo por muy "bonito" que sea.
Recuerda, estamos en un foro de un videojuego...
Juanivan79 escribió:Rubioxxxxx escribió:rafacastellano11 escribió:
Copio el hilo:
"Exactly one year ago, Kei Masuda was leading the "Next-Gen PES" project. It was already over two years in production. His plan was to write a next-gen PES from scratch for Unreal Engine. But at some point over the past year, Seitaro Kimura convinced KONAMI, that the future of the franchise was in a CROSS-GEN game, not a next-gen one. After all, mobile users were the only weapon Konami could use to stop EA's dominance with FIFA.
Bringing mobile users would mean having way more players available online and modes like FUT/MyClub were where EA & KONAMI were making most their money from. The financial success of the game depended on the success of MyClub, and without enough players online, matchmaking will take forever and players will abandon the mode By Q3 2020, with Covid and the superconductor shortages, it became clear that there will not be enough PS5s and XBSXs in peoples' homes for a "next-gen only" game to succeed. It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution.
First of all, it was already on Unreal Engine, making it much easier to use. But most importantly making the new game 'cross-platform' by adding mobile users would solve all issues with matchmaking, with millions of players available to play against console players online. The solution was obvious and it was an easy decision to make. They spent the rest of the year improving the graphical assets of this mobile base for the console version, so it would be more palatable for high-end gamers. Then they introduced a few gameplay mechanics & made it the focus of the new game. But what about the sophisticated physics and tactics that PES was famous for all those years? What about the nuanced off-ball player movement, the inspire trait and all the life-like tactics that were not part of the mobile game engine? Well, they'll just replace them with FIVE pre-set plans, where players mechanically move like robots into formation once the ball is won or lost.
The game will be free, so there can't be many complaints, right? Looking at this whole picture, I agree that a "next-gen only" game didn't sound like a financially sound idea, compared to a cross-gen game. The problem really is, with a few months, they had to rush everything, using a mobile game as a base, with lipstick on top of it. The result is the worst-reviewed game in history. Football is complicated.
"
Si todo esto es cierto, que no lo se (Pero tiene toda la pinta), es terrible, pero lo peor es de lejos esto:
"It became clear that they needed to develop the same game for both PS4 and PS5. With a few months to re-write a new Unreal game that runs on both generations, using the mobile PES as a base for the new game became an obvious solution."
No es ya que estés jugando en 2021 en tu PS5 un juego base de PS4 intergeneracional con algunos arreglos, no, es que estas jugando en tu PS5 a un juego que tiene como base de desarrollo los putos teléfonos móviles...
Konami, pudrete.
Vaya, y esto que sale ahora perfectamente explicado con pelos y señales NINGÚN "insider" de los que llevan un año vendiendo humo lo vio venir. Curioso...
![[qmparto]](/images/smilies/net_quemeparto.gif "Que me parto!")