[HILO OFICIAL] FIFA 11 **** [1er video en movimiento]

abeliyo86 escribió:Haber si es verdad y dejan el Fifa 11 igual la version de PC como las de las consolas por que las ultimas entregas de este juego en PC eran horribles...

ajomelero escribió:Yo solo les pido una cosa a los señores de EA, que por favor solucionen el tema de las desconexiones, porque de 5 partidos que ganas, 4 el adversario se sale de la partida. Es insufrible, y el cancer de estos juegos. Deberían de dar los partidos por ganados por esa desconexión, porque realmente pocas veces esa desconexión se produce de manera accidental.

First of all Gary on celebrations:

If you do not press any direction on the pad then the player will automatically run to the corner and play his trademark celebration, his teammates will run after him and interact.

And now on the net editor:

You can choose the tension (loose or tight) and also the shape (what it looks like when viewed from the side – square or triangle).

Its a small feature but one that was not too tricky for us to put in and one that I know some of the guys on here were interested in.

Now, Glen on the replay feature:

At the end of the match there is a screen which allows you to pick highlights throughout the game and save those highlights.

That’s how it was structured in what we saw. I would assume its the exact same for online.

And finally, his info celebrations:

And players will also be able to interact with teammates after scoring a goal. Producers told us the team is aiming to have more than 90 trademark celebrations in this year’s game.

Glen Cooley – FIFA 11 Gamplay Preview Review J

Well now that the furore of FIFA 11 news coming out is starting to die down I thought it right to write up my review of what we played at EAC and also explain how the early community play tests work and just a n overview of our experience.

Most if not all of what I am going to talk about has been discussed by others or me. What I want to do is provide a little more insight and contextualise the feedback from my point of view and how I think the community will play and see the game.

Right enough waffle lets talk about how the events work.

As you know several lucky people get to go to Canada and get very early hands on with the next version of the game. There are two main reasons and a couple of collateral reasons they do this. The first and most important is so that they can listen to what we as a community want and show us how they are achieving what we want. The second reason is to listen to our feedback and discuss what we want and why we want it. These usually for lively debates between the community members and the senior development team and are enjoyable (especially as avid FIFA fans!)

So it starts with a Golden Ticket, well its not gold actually and its more of a boarding pass so not golden ticket like at all.

My first surprise was meeting Chris (HandofBeadle) and Spike (BigZombieMonkey). Both are top blokes it has to be said and throughout the week we had lots of laughs, debates and outright disagreements J

Right, we will skip the 9 hours of boredom on a plane (which as a smoker is a killer). Monday morning we go to the EAC studios. This is not to be understated the facility/campus is huge. I mean massive, i'm not sure but its probably visible from space So watching some of the people who’s first visit to the studio’s reaction was quite nice as its how I felt the first time I saw it.

You approach the studio up a large driveway passing the underground car park and drive up to the main building. The first thing you see is the Arena Pitch. Which always reminds me of that first time being Ronnie in a dark flood lit pitch (and then fluffing my shot wide).

The game play stuff is coming I promise J

After some paperwork stuff and visitor passes being issued we sit down in one of the EA University classroom/meeting rooms and are given a couple of presentations. The first by Dave Rutter which covers top level improvements and key areas they are looking to fix or improve based on the community. The next presentation is from Gary Patterson and Aaron McHardy. Gary and Aaron are the actual guys behind the gameplay for FIFA.

Throughout the presentations we are shown a series of tech videos (well once Dave R had figured out how to hook his laptop to the projector and several people came down from the IT dept to assist )

The tech videos are basically wireframe like clips of certain gameplay functionality. These are to illustrate specific improvement or to test outcomes of situations.

A set of these videos showed how the new player position and ball position/velocity affects shots. The demo showed a player hitting a shot from a ball that was coming across him. This demonstrated the way be ball will swerve with that type of shot and how hard it was to do it accurately consistently. I enjoyed that a lot as it meant that shooting will be less repetitive and feel more rewarding if it goes in.

Another highlight was a video showing multiple players challenging for the ball which is something that is severely lacking in previous FIFA’s.

The presentations also formed an ad hoc Q&A which was nice. Lots of questions about ping pong passing repetitive shooting were asked and answered.

After the presentation, we went on a short facility tour, and although this is nice I think I can speak for us all and say that we were itching to play the game after all the presentations and would have quite happily skipped the tour!

Right gameplay.

We are ushered in to a gameplay/user group testing room. This room has lots of TV’s and Xbox 360’s and a one way mirror at one end (that is used to watch focus groups and monitor reactions but wasn’t used as far as I know while we were there).

The consoles all have the XNA dev kit on them (or at least that’s what I think it is) and were switched on with the main FIFA 11 menu up. Because of the early nature of the build there are very limited options on the menu, settings and exhibition match are the only active ones.

Being eager, I jump straight in to an exhibition match and notice how the room full of 20 people becomes a lot quieter!

One last thing before jumping in to the gameplay. The game is very very early and we are told there are a few niggles, issue and things not working quite right which is normal but it helps to appreciate that in context. We were also asked to save replays of anything that we thought was odd, didn’t work right or had positive/negative feelings about (for example how the defensive AI moves etc.)

Finally game play. Well in all honesty the first couple of games are hard to gauge. Sure you can see and feel the improvements but because of excitement and being so familiar with FIFA 10 you don’t really start to play and use the improvements for a few games. It takes a while but when you start adapting your play is like a eureka moment.

The first improvement for me was the physicality. What this means is the players now shield, back in to and compete for the ball much more organically and less shoulder charging and comedy bouncing. You sense that Heskey will hold the ball up better than say Kuyt could. It makes you experiment and mix your play up. You probe in midfield, and either get impatient and try to use the wide outlets or get the ball in to feet of the striker to move the team in to the final third. This is much more like the football I used to play and the football I watch from the terraces.

The physicality now means that the players have weight, they have substance and it also means you can play the game slower without being steam rollered.

Passing, this is an interesting one. Because I don’t play ping pong it was less noticeable. Every pass I make, is usually after a controlled touch or a few steps which means that the new passing system wasn’t as evident to me. This is a good thing though, because when I played some of the guys from Germany it was clear that the new passing system was taking them out of their pong passing comfort zone. It also showed that both faster and slower players can play the game they want against each other.

There are several factors to the new passing.

- Playing the ball quicker reduces accuracy, not just directionally but in terms of pass speed.
- The more passes strung together the less easy they are to control and pass again first time.
- Because no team is full of Xavi or Fabregas’s (well until Arsenal sell him to Barca at least) trying to ping pong from a good passer to less accomplished passers is very very difficult
- Passes will now swerve, and can be over hit or under hit more frequently.

Overall the new passing system adds to the authenticity but not to the determent of having a balanced fun game and not to the extreme of full manual controls. Which although a hot and contentious topic on the forums it’s not a control system for everybody.


After adjusting my playing style to the new passing you start to see other improvements. Through balls are special now. There is a real satisfaction to getting them right. This is because of the decreased accuracy and need for appropriate power. Through balls now feel like a skill and give a sense of achievement. This sense of achievement though is short lived when you get through on goal………

Having played some attractive midfield play, managed finally to coax out a chance, I try one in the top corner. God damn it the goal keeper (Renia) takes a step and springs to his side and touches it away. It was at that moment I realised how much they were improving the game. I watched the replay back and you could see how the goal keeper now read the shot and sprung just like in real life to tip it wide.

In the presentation we were told how the goal keepers are now more life like (and thankfully they don’t leave their line so readily!) We were shown some videos on the differing styles of goal keepers like tall imposing Petr Cech and smaller more agile Reina. Cech obviously has advantages in being able to reach much further but Renia has the agility of an antelope (ok maybe not that much but you get the idea).

This is all good and adds to the player “personality” but in game it now means more organic and realistic GK choices in terms of saves and so forth. With this new GK AI multiple saves are more pronounced, the palm the ball less (but still too much for me) to strikers and the better goal keepers can adjust there body to make saves. This is most evident when they misread the trajectory and stick a hand out the other way or foot.

Another nice touch is the introduction of GK kicking styles. There is now a sideways (a’la cech) type kick and a normal up and under type goal kick. Very nice additions in my opinion. Again it all adds to the feeling of authenticity.

Would of like to of seen this after a deflection but I didn’t have any deflections so will have to wait and see how it looks and feels on that front I guess.

Personality+ Personally I think the build was too early for us to see the full potential of this. It was present but there is work left to do on it. A nice surprise is that in the build we had we had a lot of the new player faces. I found this out when I was showing Dave Rutter a replay and he zoomed in on Fabregas and said shhh they shouldn’t have been in our build yet!

It was hard in our build to tell the difference in the improvements in physicality, improved passing and more dependence on attributes. Again we will have to wait for later revisions or the demo to see the true potential of this and how it feels and looks in practice.

Some examples of personality+ were evident though. Brazils right back Alvez for example isn’t shy in going forward in real life. In fifa players now have individual styles of play. Alvez for Brazil has a “low” defensive work rate and actively looks to go forwards. He doesn’t neglect his defensive duties but gives that sense of wanting to get in on the play. The contrast is better though watching Rooney work his socks off up front while Berbatov just looks disinterested most of the time. Pretty much like real life to me J

Ooooo another thing was the way your team mates will celebrate with you, jumping on your back which again just adds to the warm fuzzy feeling of scoring a great goal.

Shooting and ball physics feel much better. Hitting low shots now feels better the ball zipping nice and low. Personally I’d like a little more pace on them but its subjective I guess.

Shooting seems to have more variety the ball doesn’t seem to hit the same spot each time and gives that sense of again being less predictable. I scored a few from distance out of a lot of attempts so it seems the shooting is more balanced and life like. The animations for shooting are more life like too with it taking a fraction longer to wind up for a long shot.

Other nice features were the new audio customisation. To demonstrate this we were taken deep in the EA studio to where they record and edit music, sound effects and so forth. We recorded a few chants that were to be put in to the game and watched in one of the “cinemas” at EAC.

After record the chants Jeff the audio producer for EA sports explained the new audio features. Firstly you can play your own track lists. This is something the community has wanted for a long time so is a nice inclusion.

The in game audio now lets you record and imports various audio files for aspects of the game. You can customise the song for when your team come on to the pitch, when you score and load authentic chants that are sung by your teams supporters.

For people in to this it’s really going to add to the realism. Not only will it really feel like your team, it will sound like you’re at the ground!

Video replays. Again another community wish was to be able to save videos to your hard drive and save replays from online games. Well EA have worked hard and you can now do that. At the end of a match all the highlights are listed and you can choose which ones to save. Finally we can have some proof on the forum of “I scored this amazing goal against a Real Madrid abuser with Barnet” J

The last thing before I stop waffling was the creation of a new pass while we were there. Gary had been toying with the idea of a new driven/bouncing lob and asked us what we thought to the idea. Everyone thought it sounded great so he went away, stayed late that night and coded it up. (Thanks Gary we do appreciate the effort)

The following day because the code was in a build that has new secret unannounced features in it Gary and Aaron brought now a full Xbox 360 Dev Kit (in a rather nice matte grey finish). We were under strict instructions to not restart the machine and had one of the dev team with us at all times to make sure we didn’t load another build (the dev kit machines allow you to store multiple builds of the game on it hence the security)

Unfortunately we only got to play a couple of games on that build but it was much better than what we had been playing all week. The new pass was a superb addition. Being able to put a ball at pace at chest height or bounce it in to a player was brilliant. I keep thinking of Heskey backing in to a player and chesting the ball down as the only way to describe this new pass!

Overall the game is looking so promising, I did have another moan to anyone that would listen that the second player press is too powerful and that defending should be a skill much like attacking so hopefully they will come up with some ideas on toning it down. Gary did say they had experimented with second press not tackling but jockeying but said that didn’t look or feel right so we will have to see what they do on that one.

I am probably missing a few things out so will added them in as I remember them.

Anyways hopefully you get a feeling for the new game and a little taste of how this early testing works and how EA are trying to listen to us.

My fingers hurt now.

King_D escribió:

ajomelero escribió:Yo solo les pido una cosa a los señores de EA, que por favor solucionen el tema de las desconexiones, porque de 5 partidos que ganas, 4 el adversario se sale de la partida. Es insufrible, y el cancer de estos juegos. Deberían de dar los partidos por ganados por esa desconexión, porque realmente pocas veces esa desconexión se produce de manera accidental.

Q yo sepa ya te dan el partido por ganando si desconecta el rival, 3-0 . o mas si le ibas ganando de mas

ajomelero escribió:

King_D escribió:

ajomelero escribió:Yo solo les pido una cosa a los señores de EA, que por favor solucionen el tema de las desconexiones, porque de 5 partidos que ganas, 4 el adversario se sale de la partida. Es insufrible, y el cancer de estos juegos. Deberían de dar los partidos por ganados por esa desconexión, porque realmente pocas veces esa desconexión se produce de manera accidental.

Q yo sepa ya te dan el partido por ganando si desconecta el rival, 3-0 . o mas si le ibas ganando de mas

seguro¿¿¿

Herumor escribió:En el E3 estaran los juegos deportivos?, podrian sacar ya algo ingame?.
Es que de un año para otro no recuerdo cuando empiezan a verse videos del juego.

SniperGhost1987 escribió:

Herumor escribió:En el E3 estaran los juegos deportivos?, podrian sacar ya algo ingame?.
Es que de un año para otro no recuerdo cuando empiezan a verse videos del juego.

Por agosto y octubre es cuando se suele ya ver algo.

rben escribió:Todas esas mejoras están muy bien, pero sigo opinando que lo bueno sería tener un editor bueno y poder poner al jugador que "YO" quiera (o crea conveniente) el nivel adecuado, el numero de estrellas de filigranas, el tipo de zancada, el sprint.. etc.
Pq seguramente que eso que se enseña en el video ocurre en muy pocos jugadores y luego todos los demás jugadores siguen siendo ARmARIOs...todos iguales..

Rogerkas escribió:otra cosa es que si quieras pasar una jugada o un gol pulsando el botón "A" consigas ver la siguiente... y no como ahora que tocas el botón y te manda directamente al menu.
saludos!!

SniperGhost1987 escribió:Normal que pes represente mejor los movimiento de mesi ya que le a hecho las capturas a el xDD, pero supuestamente lo de las repeticiones ya lo han solucionado en el fifa 11 y los movimientos con la nueva caracteristica con el personality+ donde se hara referencia a la mejor cualidad de cada jugador

cesarion escribió:alguien sabe cuando sale la demo? y el juego?

saludos!

absolon escribió:Alguien sabía algo del triangulo en el pase:

Ahora cuando pasamos aparece, en la barra de potencia, un triangulito. Si acertamos a detener el pase justo ahí, saldrá perfecto. Si nos quedamos cortos o largos saldrá con alguna imperfección. Nada grave, pero sí que lo justo para que el control del destinatario no sea perfecto. Quizás tenga que hacer un par de toques para bajar la pelota, o quizás se le ha quedado corta y deba dar un paso adelante para llegar a tiempo. Además, si intentamos enlazar varios pases "imperfectos", es más que posible que alguno salga mal.

sacado de eurogamer,y chivado por fifaseries
Edito: si tengo que estar mirando el triangulito se me echan encima para robar. ¿Se habrán equivocado?
PD: No contestéis todos a la vez.
Que muerto está esto. pasad y saludad joder.

messi fcb escribió:HYPE!!!!!!!!!!

Adam, jugador de Pro Evolution Soccer y usuario de la web WENB ha tenido la oportunidad de probar FIFA 11. Sorprendentemente sus impresiones también son realmente positivas todo y su clara predilección a la saga de Konami. Estas son algunas de sus impresiones.

- FIFA 11 es muy diferente al del año pasado, y... ¡En el buen sentido! Una mejor simulación, físicas buenas y un juego mucho más lento.

- Las animaciones del los porteros son increíbles.

- Muchos tipos de entradas de los jugadores al campo personalizadas a cada estilo de estadio como en la realidad.

- Los 360 grados han sido modificados a una manera más realista. Los jugadores pesan más y las cargas por el balón y chutes han sido mejorados.

- Han cambiado el sistema de pases a un estilo mucho más realista. Es difícil de explicar, pero el "ping pong" es casi inexistente.


Fuente:http://fifaseries.com/

Si no se puede poner la fuente que la borre el moderador,o me lo diga y la borro yo.

Rogerkas escribió:

SniperGhost1987 escribió:Normal que pes represente mejor los movimiento de mesi ya que le a hecho las capturas a el xDD, pero supuestamente lo de las repeticiones ya lo han solucionado en el fifa 11 y los movimientos con la nueva caracteristica con el personality+ donde se hara referencia a la mejor cualidad de cada jugador

Si tienes razón en que PES ha utilizado a Messi para capturar los movimientos pero si que es verdad que PES respresenta mejor graficamente y los movimientos de los jugadores que en FIFA, en FIFA parece que cuando haga un regate o un tiro parece que tenga la bola enganchada en los pies o que se vea desde muy lejos y por eso no se aprecia en cambio en PES se ve esos detalles de los jugadores en un regate, entiendes lo que quiero decir?? Ojo no pretendo hacer de FIFA un PES que quede claro!!Simplemente aveces pasa que las comparaciones son inevitables y si se puede mejorar algunas cosas y añadirlas pues mucho mejor!saludos!!

kaiserphantom escribió:

Rogerkas escribió:

SniperGhost1987 escribió:Normal que pes represente mejor los movimiento de mesi ya que le a hecho las capturas a el xDD, pero supuestamente lo de las repeticiones ya lo han solucionado en el fifa 11 y los movimientos con la nueva caracteristica con el personality+ donde se hara referencia a la mejor cualidad de cada jugador

Si tienes razón en que PES ha utilizado a Messi para capturar los movimientos pero si que es verdad que PES respresenta mejor graficamente y los movimientos de los jugadores que en FIFA, en FIFA parece que cuando haga un regate o un tiro parece que tenga la bola enganchada en los pies o que se vea desde muy lejos y por eso no se aprecia en cambio en PES se ve esos detalles de los jugadores en un regate, entiendes lo que quiero decir?? Ojo no pretendo hacer de FIFA un PES que quede claro!!Simplemente aveces pasa que las comparaciones son inevitables y si se puede mejorar algunas cosas y añadirlas pues mucho mejor!saludos!!

Totalmente en desacuerdo.
Para mi los regates y la forma de correr siguen siendo robóticos en el PES.

kaiserphantom escribió:

Rogerkas escribió:

SniperGhost1987 escribió:Normal que pes represente mejor los movimiento de mesi ya que le a hecho las capturas a el xDD, pero supuestamente lo de las repeticiones ya lo han solucionado en el fifa 11 y los movimientos con la nueva caracteristica con el personality+ donde se hara referencia a la mejor cualidad de cada jugador

Si tienes razón en que PES ha utilizado a Messi para capturar los movimientos pero si que es verdad que PES respresenta mejor graficamente y los movimientos de los jugadores que en FIFA, en FIFA parece que cuando haga un regate o un tiro parece que tenga la bola enganchada en los pies o que se vea desde muy lejos y por eso no se aprecia en cambio en PES se ve esos detalles de los jugadores en un regate, entiendes lo que quiero decir?? Ojo no pretendo hacer de FIFA un PES que quede claro!!Simplemente aveces pasa que las comparaciones son inevitables y si se puede mejorar algunas cosas y añadirlas pues mucho mejor!saludos!!

Totalmente en desacuerdo.
Para mi los regates y la forma de correr siguen siendo robóticos en el PES.

HEROBANG escribió:Mientras no arreglen lo de las vaselinas abusivas con salidas automáticas de tu portero para que sea gol seguro en contra y que la máquina te cuela un 90% de las faltas que te lanza, la cosa seguirá muy chunga. El FIFA 10 se echó a perder por detalles estúpidos y que joden mucho como estos.

Iwon escribió:

HEROBANG escribió:Mientras no arreglen lo de las vaselinas abusivas con salidas automáticas de tu portero para que sea gol seguro en contra y que la máquina te cuela un 90% de las faltas que te lanza, la cosa seguirá muy chunga. El FIFA 10 se echó a perder por detalles estúpidos y que joden mucho como estos.

Sabes que se puede evitar que el portero salga automáticamente no?

Espero que en el Fifa11 se pueda poner más de una configuración de mando y que el juego no se quede pillado. Manda huevos que no se hayan dignado a corregir ese bug.

FoRgE SkA escribió:Donde está el video en movimiento que dice el titulo del hilo??? no lo veo en el primer post

LoveFootball134 escribió:Hay muchas cosas que mejorar respecto al FIFA. Los más importantes son el tiro que es muy malo dando apenas posibilidades de afuera del área o de posiciones difíciles, demasiados regates, si lees bien, demasiados y los porteros tienen que "empeorar": Basta de esos porteros con 65 de GRL que recorren areas como dioses y tienen reflejos de Casillas.

En menor manera el cuerpo a cuerpo y velocidad (si un jugador es más fuerte o rápido que otro que haya verdadera ventaja y que las estadísticas no estén de adorno), voleas (todas van a la portería, pero débiles y al centro), tiros de primera (no puede ser que le entres "rico" al balón de frente con toda la potencia del mundo y o vuelas el balón o a las manos del arquero), a los tiros libres le falta un poco.

Pero pido mucho, hay mucho que mejorar. Pero me conformo con algunas mejoras, no sólo una actualización de plantillas por dios.

Rockstar75 escribió:

LoveFootball134 escribió:Hay muchas cosas que mejorar respecto al FIFA. Los más importantes son el tiro que es muy malo dando apenas posibilidades de afuera del área o de posiciones difíciles, demasiados regates, si lees bien, demasiados y los porteros tienen que "empeorar": Basta de esos porteros con 65 de GRL que recorren areas como dioses y tienen reflejos de Casillas.

En menor manera el cuerpo a cuerpo y velocidad (si un jugador es más fuerte o rápido que otro que haya verdadera ventaja y que las estadísticas no estén de adorno), voleas (todas van a la portería, pero débiles y al centro), tiros de primera (no puede ser que le entres "rico" al balón de frente con toda la potencia del mundo y o vuelas el balón o a las manos del arquero), a los tiros libres le falta un poco.

Pero pido mucho, hay mucho que mejorar. Pero me conformo con algunas mejoras, no sólo una actualización de plantillas por dios.

A mi la verdad es que jugar a fifa me parece un soberano aburrimiento, siempre prometen el oro y el moro y siempre les acaba superando el pro y sin hacer absolutamente nada mas que actualizar plantillas 4 cambios y perder licencias xDD

iokaiser escribió:Segun mi hermano que es o era un "Prosero" dice que el pro bueno era el de la play 2, aqui en la nueva generación le gusta mas el Fifa. Yo soy de Fifa, el pro lo noto un poco robotizado o muy mecanico no se como explicarlo. Lo que me gusta del Pro son las porterias que son o parecen mas amplias o grandes.

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LoveFootball134 escribió:

iokaiser escribió:Segun mi hermano que es o era un "Prosero" dice que el pro bueno era el de la play 2, aqui en la nueva generación le gusta mas el Fifa. Yo soy de Fifa, el pro lo noto un poco robotizado o muy mecanico no se como explicarlo. Lo que me gusta del Pro son las porterias que son o parecen mas amplias o grandes.

s2

Eso y que el portero no es tan bueno. En el FIFA estando mano a mano contra un portero existen las mismas posibilidades que falles a que metas gol, en el PES eso es diferente, es muy difícil que la falles a menos que seas muy malo.

6ons1 escribió:Mientra que lo de las vaselinas las pongan igual que en juego del mundial me conformo...han dao con la tecla...es casi imposible meter una...ha pasado de ser la primera opción ante el portero a ser la ultima...

No es como todos los FIFAs que al principio hacer una vaselina te parece difícil y después acabas metiendolas como churros, si no que ahora mandas el 90% de las veces el balón a tomar por c...