madsuka escribió:ferdy_vk escribió:Pues cuando mueres será como antes de nacer...LA NADA...
Un hilo del 2003...madre mia..no?
Como estas tan seguro de eso?
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loko_sogt escribió:Yo también he creido, como muchos de vosotros, en que después de la muerte no hay nada, pero hubo una experiencia en mi vida que desde ese día empecé a dudar de si hay algo o no. Lo que me marco fue una sesión de ouija, antes de hacer nada eso no me creía absolutamente nada respecto a esos temas, pero la verdad es que ver como una simlpe monedita se mueve alrededor de unas letras y unos números teniendo sentido todo lo que decía te deja un poco. Mira que intenté hacerme el graciosillo haciendo fuerza para mover la dichosa moneda a mi antojo, pero por mucha fuerza que hiciese no podía con ella.
Quién sabe, puede que si haya algo. El tiempo nos dará o quitará la razón.
saludos!!
. Así podríamos putear un rato. 
. no me gusta pensar en estas cosas, cuando nos pase ya lo postearemos en eol desde el mas alla pero mientras tanto es una tonteria debatir estas cosas porque no llegas a ningun lado y lo unico que haces es amargarte. Carpe diem amijhos 
PainKiller escribió:Volviendo al tema.. de la comparación ( en parte ) con la física. Hay cosas de física que parecen literalmente ridiculeces absurdas pero que son ciertas. Tremendamente obvias para un físico que lleve estudiando 20 años. Es ciencia.
Esas ridiculeces absurdas son demostrables, el chi no.
Totemon escribió:Y de nuevo te invito a que me des referencias REALES, artículos científicos hechos por universidades de prestigio y no un libro de internet que ha escrito periquito el de los palotes, porque eso NO es ciencia. Da nombres, datos y demás y no digas "lo hace mucha gente", "se sabe" y "se ha demostrado" porque eso ni me vale a mí ni le vale a nadie con un mínimo de conocimiento del método científico.
Repito, no entiendo qué tiene de malo que no exista el chi ese.
Saludos.
Dr. Yan Xin is a chief physician recognized by the academic department of Ministry of Health of China. He is also hailed as a ‘‘miracle doctor’’ by the thousands who have benefited from his healing. Starting in 1985, his numerous healing cases, often involving difficult-to-cure diseases have been reported in a number of books and newspaper reports. As his reputation spread, more and more patients from all over the world sought his help. To satisfy the growing demands, Dr. Yan invented healing lectures for a large number of audiences.
Since his first public healing lecture in early 1987, he has been invited by various government authorities and academic organizations to conduct hundreds of such lectures with large audiences. A number of cases on the health benefits of attending his lectures have been reported. These phenomena have been named Yan Xin Life Science Technology phenomena, which have also been known as Yan Xin phenomena or Yan Xin Qigong phenomena.
Since these are physical effects achieved without physical contact between Dr. Yan and the affected, it could be argued that Dr. Yan’s mind power causes such effects. Numerous cases of various physical changes caused by mind power have been reported. However, how do we connect mind power with physical events? This is not an easy question and poses a major obstacle in our understanding and even acceptance of such occurrences. Since the effects of Yan Xin phenomena are analogous to that of ‘‘bu qi’’ or ‘‘deploying qi’’ described in ancient literature, it has been suggested that ‘‘external qi’’ is emitted by Dr. Yan to achieve such effects. ‘‘Qi’’ is described as the cosmic creative energy or the primordial force in the universe and is mentioned frequently in classic Chinese literature. Historically, various extraordinary effects were explained using the concept of qi, The central question to modern science is ‘‘Does qi physically exist?’’ If indeed the existence of qi can be physically confirmed using modern instruments, this would indicate that Yan Xin Life Science Technology, the technology which Dr. Yan uses to achieve various extraordinary physical effects, should be recognized as a scientific discipline deserving rigorous research. All the usual scientific activities, such as measuring different aspects of qi, follow naturally.
Since the 1980s, a considerable number of scientists from leading universities and research institutes in China and the US, such as Tsinghua University, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Harvard University, University of California (UC San Diego, UC Los Angeles) and Oklahoma University, have applied modern scientific methods and protocols to investigate various effects of external qi of Yan Xin Life Science Technology in physical sciences, life 382 X. Yan et al. sciences and industrial application, see, e.g.8–14 Some research projects have been supported by the Chinese National Natural Science Foundation. A body of substantial experimental results on Yan Xin Life Science Technology effects has accumulated. They provide convincing scientific corroboration that qi of Dr. Yan can be projected out of the body and affect physical substances and objects. These results have been reviewed by leading scientists in their respective fields to be credible and far reaching and they have been reported at research conferences and published in scientific journals.
...XIN YAN
Chongqing Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Chongqing, China
FENG LU
Reference, Inc., Boston, MA 02110, USA
HONGJIAN JIANG
Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, MA 02114, USA
XINQI WU
Children’s Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02115, USA
WEI CAO
Department of Ophthalmology, University of Oklahoma Health Science Center, Oklahoma City, OK 73104, USA
ZHENQIN XIA
Sangamo BioSciences, Inc., Richmond, CA 94804, USA
HUA SHEN AND JUN WANG
New Medicine Science Research Institute, New York, NY 10107, USA
MING DAO
Department of Materials Science and Engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
HUI LIN
H&L Materials Development Company, Newtown, PA 18940, USA
RUNSHENG ZHU
Institute of High Energy Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China
Choper escribió:... el cúmulo de sinapsis neuronales que forman nuestra consciencia
G0RD0N escribió:¿Os sirve esto? (Nota: chi = qi, transcrito correctamente)
Certain Physical Manifestation and Effects of External Qi of Yan Xin Life Science Technology, Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 16, No. 3, pp. 381–411, 2002Dr. Yan Xin is a chief physician recognized by the academic department of Ministry of Health of China. He is also hailed as a ‘‘miracle doctor’’ by the thousands who have benefited from his healing. Starting in 1985, his numerous healing cases, often involving difficult-to-cure diseases have been reported in a number of books and newspaper reports. As his reputation spread, more and more patients from all over the world sought his help. To satisfy the growing demands, Dr. Yan invented healing lectures for a large number of audiences.
Since his first public healing lecture in early 1987, he has been invited by various government authorities and academic organizations to conduct hundreds of such lectures with large audiences. A number of cases on the health benefits of attending his lectures have been reported. These phenomena have been named Yan Xin Life Science Technology phenomena, which have also been known as Yan Xin phenomena or Yan Xin Qigong phenomena.
Since these are physical effects achieved without physical contact between Dr. Yan and the affected, it could be argued that Dr. Yan’s mind power causes such effects. Numerous cases of various physical changes caused by mind power have been reported. However, how do we connect mind power with physical events? This is not an easy question and poses a major obstacle in our understanding and even acceptance of such occurrences. Since the effects of Yan Xin phenomena are analogous to that of ‘‘bu qi’’ or ‘‘deploying qi’’ described in ancient literature, it has been suggested that ‘‘external qi’’ is emitted by Dr. Yan to achieve such effects. ‘‘Qi’’ is described as the cosmic creative energy or the primordial force in the universe and is mentioned frequently in classic Chinese literature. Historically, various extraordinary effects were explained using the concept of qi, The central question to modern science is ‘‘Does qi physically exist?’’ If indeed the existence of qi can be physically confirmed using modern instruments, this would indicate that Yan Xin Life Science Technology, the technology which Dr. Yan uses to achieve various extraordinary physical effects, should be recognized as a scientific discipline deserving rigorous research. All the usual scientific activities, such as measuring different aspects of qi, follow naturally.
Since the 1980s, a considerable number of scientists from leading universities and research institutes in China and the US, such as Tsinghua University, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Harvard University, University of California (UC San Diego, UC Los Angeles) and Oklahoma University, have applied modern scientific methods and protocols to investigate various effects of external qi of Yan Xin Life Science Technology in physical sciences, life 382 X. Yan et al. sciences and industrial application, see, e.g.8–14 Some research projects have been supported by the Chinese National Natural Science Foundation. A body of substantial experimental results on Yan Xin Life Science Technology effects has accumulated. They provide convincing scientific corroboration that qi of Dr. Yan can be projected out of the body and affect physical substances and objects. These results have been reviewed by leading scientists in their respective fields to be credible and far reaching and they have been reported at research conferences and published in scientific journals.
...XIN YAN
Chongqing Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Chongqing, China
FENG LU
Reference, Inc., Boston, MA 02110, USA
HONGJIAN JIANG
Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, MA 02114, USA
XINQI WU
Children’s Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02115, USA
WEI CAO
Department of Ophthalmology, University of Oklahoma Health Science Center, Oklahoma City, OK 73104, USA
ZHENQIN XIA
Sangamo BioSciences, Inc., Richmond, CA 94804, USA
HUA SHEN AND JUN WANG
New Medicine Science Research Institute, New York, NY 10107, USA
MING DAO
Department of Materials Science and Engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
HUI LIN
H&L Materials Development Company, Newtown, PA 18940, USA
RUNSHENG ZHU
Institute of High Energy Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China
No hay que tomarse estas cosas tan a la ligera. Hace tiempo tuve un gran compañero de trabajo que, todo sea dicho, me cambió en cierta forma mi manera de ser. Él practica Kendo y me enseñó muchas cositas sobre este arte marcial, su origen, su filosofía y de paso me introdujo en la cultura nipona a la cual desde entonces respeto y admiro bastante. He de reconocer que entiendo perfectamente lo que siente Choper, ya que este compañero mío sentía lo mismo al practicar Kendo y al ver a sus maestros (especialmente cuando organizaban sesiones en algún Dojo en concreto y venían maestros directamente de Japón).
Yo tengo mis propias ideas sobre el tema qi, no tan sofisticadas como las del artículo de arriba, pero que explican de alguna forma por qué ese bienestar consigo mismo al practicar este tipo de artes marciales y meditación, simplemente desde un punto de vista de recompensa física (estimulo placentero al cerebro) al hecho de tener esta aptitud en beneficio propio como ventaja evolutiva sobre otros; al fin y al cabo, nosotros como seres vivos somos máquinas de supervivencia para nuestros genes.
Por cierto Choper, me ha encantado esta frase que has dicho:Choper escribió:... el cúmulo de sinapsis neuronales que forman nuestra consciencia
es tan concisa y precisa que me acojona
Saludos
Totemon escribió:¿Te has leído el artículo? Cuando he leído que el "qi" afecta al RAMAN del agua no he podido evitar descojonarme... O sea, que el qi cambia la estructura vibrónica de las moléculas de agua? ¡¡¡Pero por el amor de Dios!!! ¿Son reproducibles estos experimentos? ¿Cómo carajo almacena el agua el "qi"? Y no solo eso, sino que el tío manda el "qi" por teléfono!!!!!!!! O sea, que es el Rappel del qi, poco menos.
Y no solo eso, cambia el tiempo de vida media de isótopos radiactivos, e incluso luminiscencia de no se qué. Vamos, que el "qi" es el aloe vera de las energías.
Lo siento, pero por mucha estructura de artículo que tenga, esto no se publicaría en una revista con un índice de impacto superior a 0 (esta revista ni siquiera está en el journal of scitation reports) y seguro que estos artículos no pasan por ningún referee, que si pasa por algún físico, lo primero que haría es descojonarse.
The International Journal of Biochemistry & Cell Biology
Volume 38, Issue 12, 2006, Pages 2102-2113
External Qi term of Yan Xin Qigong differentially regulates the Akt and extracellular signal-regulated kinase pathways and is cytotoxic to cancer cells but not to normal cells
G0RD0N escribió:Subiremos el nivel, a ver si los que se van a descojonar son otros...The International Journal of Biochemistry & Cell Biology
Volume 38, Issue 12, 2006, Pages 2102-2113
External Qi term of Yan Xin Qigong differentially regulates the Akt and extracellular signal-regulated kinase pathways and is cytotoxic to cancer cells but not to normal cells
De este no puedo poner el enlace al PDF directo, porque está en Science Direct, que es de pago (por cierto, donde publicamos nuestros reports del consorcio EFDA para ITER)
¿El sólo hecho de observar una partícula e influir su estado cuántico te da también risa?
BdM escribió:a mi me han contado que...
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