[F1] Hilo Oficial Temporada 2009

Symonds is also reported as saying: "It's true, during the Sunday meeting with Piquet the issue of deliberately causing a SC deployment came up, but it was proposed by Piquet himself. It was just a conversation."

loco_desk escribió:Yo ya os digo que estoy hasta los webos xDD
La prensa lleva diciendo desde hace muchi tiempo Alonso a Ferrari , el Banco Santander va a Ferrari , pero por que quiere y ante la imposibilidad de patrocinar a Renault y seguir con Alonso pues renault esta ya con ING pues se va al caballo ganador , al sitio donde todos desean estar , Ferrari .
no hay otra , Ferrari va a cumplir contratos , incluso ha fichado a fisicola para suplir la baja de Felipe y lo tienen de tercer piloto por si Felipe fallase en 2010 .
Raikiki esta rindiendo y no lo van a echar , Massa se esta recuperando a buen ritmo , y ante ecatombe en la recuperacion de Massa , tienen a Giancarlo .
Alonso estara en Renault en 2010 , no se donde estara en 2011 , pero apostaria todo mi dinero a que Fernando no se mueve de Renault para el año que viene por mucho que lo diga el "superentendido" Carlos Miquel , Lobato o risto Mejide

CoyoteWB escribió:

Det_W.Somerset escribió:Lobato es un bocas, ya anda reculando... para eso no digas nada, boca-buzón

Es un vendedor de humo, que encima va poniendose medallitas de lo contrario. Y a aprte pesimo comentando, que es lo peor.

Sabio escribió:Montezemolo: "A los pilotos los elige el equipo, no los patrocinadores"

Lo cual tiene dos lecturas que ya adelanto yo:
- La negativa que no sirve de nada porque hay una segunda lectura a la que aferrarse
- La vende-esperanzas: que si Alonso termina fichando por Ferrari es porque Ferrari quiere, no porque el Santander lo exija xD

Sabio escribió:está claro que le desplazaría como le ocurrió con Hamilton).

eraser escribió:Creo que ya ha quedado claro que el problema fue Ron Dennis y su insistencia en poner a McLaren en contra de Alonso ("No corríamos contra Kimi, corríamos contra Alonso")

eraser escribió:Donde veo doble lectura es en otra si es literal: "los fichajes para el próximo año se sabrán 'en el momento oportuno'"... Si de verdad la pregunta hablaba de fichajes para el año que viene, con esa respuesta deja una puerta abierta a que haya al menos un fichaje para el año que viene... si no hay fichajes, los pilotos para el año que viene ya se saben porque simplemente continúan contrato...

Alonso unaware of alleged Renault plan

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, September 10th 2009, 10:53 GMT

Fernando Alonso knew nothing of the alleged plan for Nelson Piquet to crash deliberately at last year's Singapore Grand Prix in a bid to help him win the race, AUTOSPORT has learned.

While the focus of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council hearing later this month now appears to revolve around what took place in a pre-race meeting between Piquet, Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds, it has emerged that Alonso was not involved in any of the tactics.

AUTOSPORT understands that Alonso was interviewed at the Belgian Grand Prix as part of the FIA investigation into exactly what took place in Singapore last year.

Sources have revealed that he told the stewards, plus representatives of the Quest agency and lawyers Sidley Austin LLP, that he was unaware that Piquet planned to crash deliberately early in the race.

It is understood that Alonso told the investigators that he had accepted his strategy to stop so early in the race simply because he wanted an 'aggressive' approach to the event.

A report submitted ahead of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council hearing into the matter, which takes place in Paris on September 21, confirms that Alonso "knew nothing of the alleged plan to cause a deliberate crash."

Sources have also revealed that race engineers at Renault were also unaware of any plan for Piquet to crash - with some of them having also been interviewed in Belgium.

It is understood that one engineer even questioned Piquet after the Singapore race about exactly what happened when he spun into the wall on lap 14 of the race. The Brazilian replied that he had simply lost control of the car.

There was also some debate on the pit wall during the race when Alonso was brought into the pits on lap 12 of the race - which was earlier than his fuel load would have allowed him to go.

Radio transcripts of the race, which have been obtained by the FIA, show that director of engineering Symonds did not share the concerns of fellow team members about making such an early stop – telling the team: "No, no, it's going to be alright."

Piquet claims that in the pre-race meeting in Singapore he was asked to crash deliberately in the race to help Alonso win, while Symonds and Briatore are both adamant that the idea came from the Brazilian driver himself.

Renault has said it will issue no comment about the matter prior to the FIA hearing later this month.

URTYK escribió:... un piloto que el 70% de Ferrarista no lo quieren.

URTYK escribió:Con 50M que pone el Santander Ferrari no tiene ni para pagar a los mecanicos y mucho menos Botin para meter a un piloto que el 70% de Ferrarista no lo quieren.

URTYK escribió:Con 50M que pone el Santander Ferrari no tiene ni para pagar a los mecanicos y mucho menos Botin para meter a un piloto que el 70% de Ferrarista no lo quieren.

URTYK escribió:Con 50M que pone el Santander Ferrari no tiene ni para pagar a los mecanicos y mucho menos Botin para meter a un piloto que el 70% de Ferrarista no lo quieren.

KorteX escribió:

URTYK escribió:... un piloto que el 70% de Ferrarista no lo quieren.

Cita de Homer Simpson: "Oh..la gente se inventa estadísticas con tal de demostrar algo, y esto lo sabe el 14% de la gente."

UPz escribió:Dia D, Hora H:

Europa Press escribió:Banco Santander will sponsor the Ferrari Formula 1 Ferrari the next five years, with brand presence in the kit cars and the drivers 'Prancing Horse', after sealing today formally agreed at Monza, the scene This weekend week of the Italian Grand Prix, the agency said today.

The bench headed by Emilio Botin was until now the sponsor of the McLaren-Mercedes, which came in 2007 and lasting for three years until 2009, with an option to extend for two more, something that has not happened.

In addition, Santander will continue to be title sponsor of the Grand Prix of Italy, Britain and Germany, and maintain a very significant presence in Spain, Europe and Brazil.

twilight I escribió:¿Entonces el Banco Santander no pasa a ser el patrocinador "oficial" de Ferrari?. Vamos, que se queda Marlboro

AUTOSPORT escribió:Santander signs five-year Ferrari deal

By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, September 10th 2009, 14:31 GMT

Spanish banking giant Grupo Santander announced on Thursday it will be the Ferrari team's sponsor for the next five years.

The company, currently sponsoring McLaren, said it will be Ferrari's "main" sponsor from next season.

The deal was announced in a press conference at the Monza circuit on Thursday, when Ferrari chief Luca di Montezemolo was joined by Bank of Santander president Emilio Botin.

"We are very happy to have a new partner like Santander, with whom we are beginning a very important and long term collaboration," said di Montezemolo.

"We share common values, such as striving for excellence, a passion for competition, an international approach and, last but by no means least, the colour red. These values will make this a fruitful partnership, noteworthy around the world."

twilight I escribió:¿Qué significa Pracing Horse?

Times escribió:The key to the allegations against Renault at last year’s Singapore Grand Prix was reported last night to be a meeting just before the race between Nelson Piquet Jr, Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds at which Piquet claims he was instructed to crash his car on purpose.

The meeting, which is thought to have taken place in one of the Renault offices at the track, was convened so that Piquet could discuss race tactics with Briatore, the team principal, and Symonds, the Renault director of engineering. But reports last night claimed that Piquet has told the FIA in evidence that at the meeting he was asked to crash his car to help his team-mate, Fernando Alonso, to win the race on September 28, which he did.

Piquet is said to have agreed to the scheme because he was uncertain of his future at Renault at that stage, having not renewed his contract for 2009. The Brazilian driver, who was sacked by Renault at the end of July this year, is thought to have told the FIA that he went ahead with the plan only because he thought he would be rewarded for his actions.

Piquet is said to have told investigators working for the FIA that he was instructed by Symonds to crash his car on lap 13 or 14 of the 61-lap race, shortly after Alonso’s first pitstop, and that he should do so at turn 17, where the team had spotted that there were no cranes to remove his car quickly, thus making a safety-car interruption inevitable.

Piquet’s claims, however, have been denied by Briatore and Symonds in documents that have been submitted to the FIA. Although they confirm that a meeting took place with Piquet, they say that it was the Brazilian’s suggestion to cause an accident, not theirs. Briatore was quoted as saying he felt he was a victim of “extortion” by the Piquet family, while Symonds said the subject of trying to cause a safety-car deployment did come up, but it was “just a conversation”.

Sources have also claimed that the FIA was first informed of the allegations by Piquet’s father, Nelson Piquet Sr, who contacted Max Mosley, the FIA president, on July 26, the day of his son’s final race for the team, at the Hungarian Grand Prix. Piquet Jr is said to have visited the FIA four days later in Paris to give a statement to officials. After the disclosure that it is investigating the case, the FIA has scheduled an extraordinary meeting of its World Motor Sport Council on September 21 to discuss the matter and consider what sanctions to take, should Renault be found guilty.

Hadesillo escribió:

Times escribió:The key to the allegations against Renault at last year’s Singapore Grand Prix was reported last night to be a meeting just before the race between Nelson Piquet Jr, Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds at which Piquet claims he was instructed to crash his car on purpose.

The meeting, which is thought to have taken place in one of the Renault offices at the track, was convened so that Piquet could discuss race tactics with Briatore, the team principal, and Symonds, the Renault director of engineering. But reports last night claimed that Piquet has told the FIA in evidence that at the meeting he was asked to crash his car to help his team-mate, Fernando Alonso, to win the race on September 28, which he did.

Piquet is said to have agreed to the scheme because he was uncertain of his future at Renault at that stage, having not renewed his contract for 2009. The Brazilian driver, who was sacked by Renault at the end of July this year, is thought to have told the FIA that he went ahead with the plan only because he thought he would be rewarded for his actions.

Piquet is said to have told investigators working for the FIA that he was instructed by Symonds to crash his car on lap 13 or 14 of the 61-lap race, shortly after Alonso’s first pitstop, and that he should do so at turn 17, where the team had spotted that there were no cranes to remove his car quickly, thus making a safety-car interruption inevitable.

Piquet’s claims, however, have been denied by Briatore and Symonds in documents that have been submitted to the FIA. Although they confirm that a meeting took place with Piquet, they say that it was the Brazilian’s suggestion to cause an accident, not theirs. Briatore was quoted as saying he felt he was a victim of “extortion” by the Piquet family, while Symonds said the subject of trying to cause a safety-car deployment did come up, but it was “just a conversation”.

Sources have also claimed that the FIA was first informed of the allegations by Piquet’s father, Nelson Piquet Sr, who contacted Max Mosley, the FIA president, on July 26, the day of his son’s final race for the team, at the Hungarian Grand Prix. Piquet Jr is said to have visited the FIA four days later in Paris to give a statement to officials. After the disclosure that it is investigating the case, the FIA has scheduled an extraordinary meeting of its World Motor Sport Council on September 21 to discuss the matter and consider what sanctions to take, should Renault be found guilty.

No sé que fiabilidad tendrá esto pero tengo al Times por un periódico serio. :|

kxalvictor escribió:si no sé porqué rebuscáis tanto las fuentes:

http://www.marca.com/2009/09/10/motor/f ... 79525.html

UPz escribió:
Autosport ya publico eso mismo ayer, por lo que es fiable. Ahora, una cosa es que ellos (Pat y Flav) lo digan, y otra que sea cierta... Mosley esta engrasando el "latigo de la justicia" ahora mismo...
Pase lo que pase, Piquet tendria que ser baneado de la F1 por mucho tiempo, ya que, o bien accedió o bien ideó el plan. Muy listo no ha sido Paquetinho... Y encima se espera a contarlo cuando lo despiden y no en el momento del "delito".

Saludos!

Det_W.Somerset escribió:

kxalvictor escribió:si no sé porqué rebuscáis tanto las fuentes:

http://www.marca.com/2009/09/10/motor/f ... 79525.html

Pues porque del Marca no te puedes fiar porque traducen lo que les sale de los huevos, o directamente se inventan noticias. Ejemplo claro el otro día las declaraciones de Badoer. Por eso hay que ir a Autosport a buscar las noticias

Según la publicación inglesa especializada Autosport...

Det_W.Somerset escribió:

kxalvictor escribió:si no sé porqué rebuscáis tanto las fuentes:

http://www.marca.com/2009/09/10/motor/f ... 79525.html

Pues porque del Marca no te puedes fiar porque traducen lo que les sale de los huevos, o directamente se inventan noticias. Ejemplo claro el otro día las declaraciones de Badoer. Por eso hay que ir a Autosport a buscar las noticias

kxalvictor escribió:home, dicen:

Según la publicación inglesa especializada Autosport...

Dawidh360 escribió:La cosa no pinta muy bien ni para Renault ni para Piquet Jr. Primero En Renault dijeron que no sabían nada del tema, ahora admiten que si que hubo una reunión previa donde se habló del accidente pero que fué Piquet quien lo mencionó. Empieza a oler mal este asunto.

twilight I escribió:

KorteX escribió:

URTYK escribió:... un piloto que el 70% de Ferrarista no lo quieren.

Cita de Homer Simpson: "Oh..la gente se inventa estadísticas con tal de demostrar algo, y esto lo sabe el 14% de la gente."

Antonio Lobato: Alonso vendrá, pero ya no sé cuando

Vaya piscinazo..

Q. What about the rumours about Fernando Alonso?
LDM: You are very young, I am very old, and this is old news. Every year it is the same. We have two drivers, now three, plus also we are close to having Michael so we have a lot of drivers – this is not a problem for us now.

Q. So you are saying that it will not be before 2011 that Fernando Alonso can join you?
LDM: You know, I never like to talk on the driver side. Whenever we take some decision we will inform you in the proper way at the right moment.

argam escribió:Yo creer que calvo estar más flipado que paraguaya...

Luca di Montezemolo: "Tarde o temprano, Alonso estará en Ferrari"
Aunque insiste en que no será el año que viene

El presidente de Ferrari, Luca di Montezemolo, ha admitido que Fernando Alonso, tarde o temprano, acabará conduciendo un monoplaza de la histórica escudería italiana aunque, insiste, no ocurrirá el próximo año.